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re: Texas to approve $1.6 billion for teacher raises

Posted on 5/29/19 at 2:24 pm to
Posted by BayouBlitz
Member since Aug 2007
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Posted on 5/29/19 at 2:24 pm to
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Higher teacher pay =/= investing in children' education


Well lower pay definitely doesn't. Higher pay generally means better quality.
Posted by Geauxtiga
No man's land
Member since Jan 2008
34401 posts
Posted on 5/29/19 at 2:27 pm to
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in most states, the average annual private school tuition is actually less than the average amount spent per child in a U.S. public school.

The average amount that a public elementary or secondary school in the United States spends per student is $11,392 as of June 2017, according to the U.S. Census Bureau. The national average for annual private school tuition is approximately $10,413, according to Private School Review.
Private schools don’t have SPED kids, do they? That’s what kills the average in public schools.There are teachers hired for a handfull of students and aids that are child specific. Not uncommon to have one teacher and two aides in a class with 4 or 5 kids.

Someone correct me if I’m off here.
Posted by Geauxtiga
No man's land
Member since Jan 2008
34401 posts
Posted on 5/29/19 at 2:28 pm to
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Can we get them to work more than 8 months a year now?
Or let them only work 6 months of the year and make six figures like them oilfield baws.
Posted by Zappas Stache
Utility Muffin Research Kitchen
Member since Apr 2009
43531 posts
Posted on 5/29/19 at 2:37 pm to
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$1.6 billion for teacher raises


It amounts to about $250/mo in teacher's pockets.

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"they could make a six-figure livin


Lies
Posted by Sun God
Member since Jul 2009
52805 posts
Posted on 5/29/19 at 2:39 pm to
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Those that teach and those that protect. I've always found that concept odd in the grand scheme of a society.

Those that can, do; those that can’t, teach

ETA: love the responses to this far. Great job everyone
This post was edited on 5/29/19 at 5:47 pm
Posted by ctiger69
Member since May 2005
31030 posts
Posted on 5/29/19 at 2:41 pm to
Got to educated all of those Mexicans.
Posted by JJ27
Member since Sep 2004
62329 posts
Posted on 5/29/19 at 2:44 pm to
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I think it’s more like 10.5 months they work. It’s also not really an 8-5 job. Please you get to deal with a large contingent of shitty kids every single day


Bull. shite. They work 180 days with kids. It’s not 8-5 because it’s 7:15 to 3. Been around enough to know 95% of them are bouncing when that bell rings. Sell your lies elsewhere.

ETA: Hell they get a month off just from Thanksgiving, Christmas, and Spring Break. Are you saying they get 2 weeks off for Summer?
This post was edited on 5/29/19 at 2:47 pm
Posted by CorkSoaker
Member since Oct 2008
9823 posts
Posted on 5/29/19 at 2:44 pm to
Only in America
Posted by Geauxtiga
No man's land
Member since Jan 2008
34401 posts
Posted on 5/29/19 at 2:59 pm to
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Hell they get a month off just from Thanksgiving, Christmas, and Spring Break. Are you saying they get 2 weeks off for Summer?
They don’t get paid for it so you can do the same. Take off, you can be teacheresuqe. Hell, if you have vacation or leave, you’re ahead of them cause they aren’t paid for those days off.
Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
106029 posts
Posted on 5/29/19 at 3:00 pm to
How much is the coaching supplement?
Posted by Prominentwon
LSU, McNeese St. Fan
Member since Jan 2005
95091 posts
Posted on 5/29/19 at 3:01 pm to
Good for them!

Teachers work harder than any of you MFers here. You couldn’t pay me to sit in a school for 8 hours with all those little bastards.
Posted by JJ27
Member since Sep 2004
62329 posts
Posted on 5/29/19 at 3:04 pm to
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How much is the coaching supplement?


Typically depends on district. Not enough though. S&C coaches especially work 12 months a year.
Posted by JJ27
Member since Sep 2004
62329 posts
Posted on 5/29/19 at 3:06 pm to
I was speaking to his claim they work 10.5 months a year. That’s impossible when you get a month just for 3 holidays/not including Summer.
Posted by i am dan
NC
Member since Aug 2011
32361 posts
Posted on 5/29/19 at 3:34 pm to
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Can we get them to work more than 8 months a year now?


Most teachers will be obsolete in the near future when kids will attend online middle and high schools.

Their jobs certainly aren't safe from technology.
Posted by idlewatcher
Planet Arium
Member since Jan 2012
98651 posts
Posted on 5/29/19 at 3:55 pm to
Should be merit based period.

You get the kids the grades, you get paid.

You suck, you should get your arse fired.
Posted by jrodLSUke
Premium
Member since Jan 2011
26529 posts
Posted on 5/29/19 at 3:56 pm to
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Public school teachers in Texas don't collectively bargain and didn't strike

And LA teachers will continue to support a union despite another example of how unions aren't needed.
Posted by Zappas Stache
Utility Muffin Research Kitchen
Member since Apr 2009
43531 posts
Posted on 5/29/19 at 3:59 pm to
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You get the kids the grades, you get paid.



This is a simpletons view.
Posted by Geauxtiga
No man's land
Member since Jan 2008
34401 posts
Posted on 5/29/19 at 4:00 pm to
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Should be merit based period.

You get the kids the grades, you get paid.

You suck, you should get your arse fired
Great idea. Let’s do that with Doctors too.
We can start at the premiere cancer treatment facility, MD Anderson. If their patients die, the Doctors suck and get fired. Oh, wait, half their patients die.

Posted by bountyhunter
North of Houston a bit
Member since Mar 2012
7181 posts
Posted on 5/29/19 at 4:05 pm to
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Higher teacher pay =/= investing in children' education.

So nicer books, desks, materials are more important than quality teachers who (now) have a financial incentive to see their students thrive? You're telling me that you cannot understand that someone will work harder if they have a financial incentive to do so? Put down the Karl Marx and think about your next reply carefully.
Posted by Weekend Warrior79
Member since Aug 2014
22215 posts
Posted on 5/29/19 at 4:13 pm to
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It's because they are easy professions to get into. There's a shortage of good public service professionals because they are lumped in with shite and there are no incentives to do better than that.


While true, I would argue that if you start paying a respectable salary with actual opportunities for pay raises; you would see more qualified applicants.
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