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re: Texas to approve $1.6 billion for teacher raises
Posted on 5/29/19 at 6:50 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Posted on 5/29/19 at 6:50 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:yes it does. Professions, generally are fighting against each other. With a higher pay, you get a better pool of candidates who want to become teachers
I don't think it matters at all
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Posted on 5/29/19 at 6:50 pm to East Coast Band
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East Coast Band
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Can we get them to work more than 8 months a year now?
You stupid...…………
And WTG Texas...………….
Posted on 5/29/19 at 6:52 pm to gthog61
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Isn't that more a function of the local entities?
To an extent, pay varies from rural to urban, and Texas is a huge state, but $7k lower than the national average is surprising.
Posted on 5/29/19 at 6:54 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Higher teacher pay =/= investing in children' education.
People are leaving the profession left and right because what they make (and benefits that are steadily being cut) are no longer offsetting the cost of the Bachelors and Masters degree required to teach in most states.
Higher pay attracts better candidates and makes it easier to weed out the shite. It’s absolutely an investment in children’s education.
Posted on 5/29/19 at 6:56 pm to Hu_Flung_Pu
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There is no degree requirement for police and firemen.
While true that many departments don’t REQUIRE a degree, you’re not getting hired without some college or military or something that sets you apart. Louisiana is an exception because our police are paid so shitty that they don’t attract many good applicants.
Many of the bigger, more respected departments in Texas, California, and New England all require some higher learning as well as most of the time prior military.
Posted on 5/29/19 at 7:00 pm to castorinho
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With a higher pay, you get a better pool of candidates who want to become teachers
Your child's education is far more dependent on genetics and parents than their teachers.
We pay well here and now the teachers are saying itslack of a pension plan that's hurting education
In reality, the quality of education doesn't change
Posted on 5/29/19 at 7:01 pm to Hu_Flung_Pu
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There is no degree requirement for police and firemen.
Depends on the police department. Kentucky State Troopers typically don’t accept anyone who doesn’t have some college credit or military experience and you still have to graduate from the academy.
Posted on 5/29/19 at 7:03 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Your child's education is far more dependent on genetics and parents than their teachers.
We pay well here and now the teachers are saying itslack of a pension plan that's hurting education
In reality, the quality of education doesn't change
Are Alaska teachers able to draw social security or do they pay into a state retirement fund? Kentucky has issues with pensions because they want to go to a dedicated 401k but once you teach you can no longer draw social security. Even if you worked other jobs previously paying in.
It puts them at a decent disadvantage compared to their degree counterparts in other professions.
This post was edited on 5/29/19 at 7:04 pm
Posted on 5/29/19 at 7:03 pm to Zappas Stache
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Texas teachers have a defined contract time which requires them to be on campus 9 hours/day and it is strictly enforced at most schools.
My wife is a teacher. I highly doubt the 9 hour time. She’s 8:15-4:15 for on contract. Many are only there when in contract others are there an additional 30 to 60 minutes extra for prep
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Just because kids are off doesn't mean teachers are too. Typically teachers are working for a week after kids are gone for the summer and 2 weeks before kids come back. And Texas teachers are required training seminars totaling about 40 hours which most take during the summer. Teachers are not paid for any of this additional work.
No teachers are working a week after school is out. It’s a day. The two weeks before is correct but it use to be a week but now it’s two because they made the school days longer by a few minutes but the teacher contract days didn’t change. 40 hours a year for training is about double what’s normal as well.
I’d say my wife is doing basically zero work during spring break, thanksgiving break, and Christmas break. She’s off basically all of June and July. And half of August. She may do two day long trainings randomly in the summer and maybe another one Saturday during the school year to get her 20 hours continuing education
This post was edited on 5/29/19 at 7:10 pm
Posted on 5/29/19 at 7:04 pm to Rhino5
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That's a really embarrassing stat given the size of the state economy.
Not really when you consider cost of living in Texas
Posted on 5/29/19 at 7:05 pm to BluegrassBelle
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People are leaving the profession left and right because what they make (and benefits that are steadily being cut) are no longer offsetting the cost of the Bachelors and Masters degree required to teach in most states.
Ths has always been the case.
Those who love to teach will teach. I don't think people wanting to teach for the money will help improve education at all
Posted on 5/29/19 at 7:08 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Ths has always been the case.
Those who love to teach will teach. I don't think people wanting to teach for the money will help improve education at all
Except it really hasn’t. It used to be a good second income job in most states. With decent benefits to compensate for the lower salary pay then their private sector counterparts.
Not paying a decent wage to put up with what most metropolitan teachers put up with makes a world of difference. We were able to keep decent, tenured teachers in some low achieving schools with incentive pay to stay there. It absolutely makes a difference.
Posted on 5/29/19 at 7:21 pm to BluegrassBelle
Teachers have plenty of benefits that outweigh pay. Sure they have to put up with snot nosed kids all day but that is 100% what they sign up for
Posted on 5/29/19 at 7:33 pm to TDcline
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Many of the bigger, more respected departments in Texas, California, and New England all require some higher learning as well as most of the time prior military.
Thus the reason they get paid higher. The entry into the field is much tougher.
Posted on 5/29/19 at 7:35 pm to BluegrassBelle
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Kentucky State Troopers typically don’t accept anyone who doesn’t have some college credit or military experience and you still have to graduate from the academy.
That's the way most state troopers run. I'm talking about city police. I believe state troopers get paid a good bit more.
Posted on 5/29/19 at 7:40 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Higher teacher pay =/= investing in children' education
You get what you pay for.
Posted on 5/29/19 at 7:50 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Teacher pay and classroom size are usually overstated as problems related to education
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I don't think i
We know.
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fact private schools usually pay less than public and produce better students.
They do?
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Teacher pay and classroom size are usually overstated as problems related to education
Overstated. Cool. That doesn’t mean they aren’t an issue.
You’re done. And wrong
Posted on 5/29/19 at 7:53 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Your child's education is far more dependent on genetics and parents than their teachers.
Ok. Doesn’t change anything. Better teachers are better teachers.
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We pay well here and now the teachers are saying itslack of a pension plan that's hurting education
Link
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In reality, the quality of education doesn't change
You wouldn’t know anything about this reality.
Posted on 5/29/19 at 7:55 pm to tylercsbn9
Sounds like your wife is a crappy teacher.
OR maybe you shouldn’t be using anecdotal evidence.
Dumb.
OR maybe you shouldn’t be using anecdotal evidence.
Dumb.
Posted on 5/29/19 at 7:57 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Ths has always been the case.
Wrong.
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Those who love to teach will teach. I don't think people wanting to teach for the money will help improve education at all
Let’s apply that to all professions. This that love construction will construct.
Those thst love math will account.
No one needs money. Or any more.
Congrats. You are a commie.
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