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re: Texas people: ERCOT warning
Posted on 5/14/22 at 5:30 pm to biscuitsngravy
Posted on 5/14/22 at 5:30 pm to biscuitsngravy
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it's actually hot and dry as hell here.
It’s hardly “dry as hell” in the heavily populated parts of Texas. All everyone in Dallas or Austin could ever talk about was the friggin humidity (which was odd since it wasn’t nearly as high as Houston or anywhere in Louisiana).
Posted on 5/14/22 at 5:33 pm to dallastigers
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Not part of national grid but can still purchase elsewhere. It’s just very limited in amount of connections and capacity of them.
My point is if we were tied to the national grid, we could import much more and not have these shortages.
Posted on 5/14/22 at 5:45 pm to TulaneUVA
Obviously not enough windmill farms.
Posted on 5/14/22 at 5:47 pm to ChickennBiscuits
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It’s hardly “dry as hell” in the heavily populated parts of Texas. All everyone in Dallas or Austin could ever talk about was the friggin humidity (which was odd since it wasn’t nearly as high as Houston or anywhere in Louisiana).
now you are just lying.
this is the worst drought Texas has had since 2013.
try again.
Posted on 5/14/22 at 5:55 pm to kciDAtaE
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I guess it depends where you live. West Texas is dry. Houston and East Texas - not so much.
Last time I saw rain in here in Houston, Moses was parting the Red Sea
Posted on 5/14/22 at 6:00 pm to TutHillTiger
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So the power grid is going to crash big time this Summer right about the time Texans get purged off of all social media. Apparently Texas voted to go back to the it’s golden age the 1880s. This is going to be fun to watch from my living room set at 67 degrees, drinking ice cold tea, and playing on social media.
What in the world
Posted on 5/14/22 at 6:09 pm to billjamin
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good job trying to conflate operational intermittency and resources with a complete lack of winterization. Your shitty arguments probably work on most people but deep down you know your just being disingenuous if you actually have a clue what you’re talking about.
If you did a root cause analysis on grid (lack of) reliability, it comes down poor choices made in generation sources. You can spin shite however you want, but that's the truth.
Posted on 5/14/22 at 6:36 pm to Zappas Stache
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My point is if we were tied to the national grid, we could import much more and not have these shortages.
Since ERCOT was formed in 1970 I don’t know benefits or detriments at that time of avoiding federal regulation, but with energy easier to import with unexpected issues/needs being a current benefit are there current detriments to avoid falling under the jurisdiction of FERC? (Just read that avoiding regulation actually started before ERCOT with the Texas Interconnected System).
This avoidance of federal regulation with this started with Democrats running state through a mixture of both to more recently Republicans running it. Also has occurred across multiple Democratic Presidencies and multiple Republican Presidencies including one who was a former Governor of Texas. At least with state politics in past it crossed party lines.
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The transmission grid that the ERCOT independent system operator administers is located solely within the state of Texas and is not synchronously interconnected to the rest of the United States. The transmission of electric energy occurring wholly within ERCOT is not subject to the Commission's jurisdiction under sections 203, 205, or 206 of the Federal Power Act.
https://www.ferc.gov/industries-data/electric/electric-power-markets/ercot
Edit to add some of its history I just read
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The Texas Interconnected System — which for a long time was actually operated by two discrete entities, one for northern Texas and one for southern Texas — had another priority: staying out of the reach of federal regulators. In 1935, President Franklin D. Roosevelt signed the Federal Power Act, which charged the Federal Power Commission with overseeing interstate electricity sales. By not crossing state lines, Texas utilities avoided being subjected to federal rules. "Freedom from federal regulation was a cherished goal — more so because Texas had no regulation until the 1970s," writes Richard D. Cudahy in a 1995 article, "The Second Battle of the Alamo: The Midnight Connection." (Self-reliance was also made easier in Texas, especially in the early days, because the state has substantial coal, natural gas and oil resources of its own to fuel power plants.)
ERCOT was formed in 1970, in the wake of a major blackout in the Northeast in November 1965, and it was tasked with managing grid reliability in accordance with national standards. The agency assumed additional responsibilities following electric deregulation in Texas a decade ago. The ERCOT grid remains beyond the jurisdiction of the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission, which succeeded the Federal Power Commission and regulates interstate electric transmission.
Historically, the Texas grid's independence has been violated a few times. Once was during World War II, when special provisions were made to link Texas to other grids, according to Cudahy. Another episode occurred in 1976 after a Texas utility, for reasons relating to its own regulatory needs, deliberately flipped a switch and sent power to Oklahoma for a few hours. This event, known as the "Midnight Connection," set off a major legal battle that could have brought Texas under the jurisdiction of federal regulators, but it was ultimately resolved in favor of continued Texan independence.
https://www.texastribune.org/2011/02/08/texplainer-why-does-texas-have-its-own-power-grid/
This post was edited on 5/14/22 at 7:24 pm
Posted on 5/14/22 at 7:08 pm to TulaneUVA
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I’m new to Texas so not used to seeing these warnings. Are these warnings normal?
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We scrubbed through ERCOT press releases dating back to 2012 to see how many times the agency has asked some or all of Texas to conserve energy. At least 13 instances came up:
June 2021
February 2021
August 2019
September 2019
October 2016
October 2015
August 2015
July 2015
June 2015
October 2014
March 2014
February 2014
June 2012
https://www.kxan.com/news/texas/ercot-asking-texans-to-conserve-energy-this-weekend/
For whatever reason (choice or capacity) they have had a tendency to have tight reserve margins but usually works out outside of extreme issues like in Feb 2021.
They usually have deals in place to sell or buy, but i think without continuous connections they have to give final thumbs up or down a certain time before and being that the 6 plants went down yesterday probably can’t change decisions and also problematic for getting for it done to be ready by next day (not sure if problematic due to expense of buying this quickly or timing of getting it wouldn’t be much faster than plants plus conservation building back up reserves or a combo).
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Friday afternoon, the six power plants that went offline resulted in the loss of 2,900 megawatts of electricity — enough to power about 580,000 homes.
This post was edited on 5/14/22 at 11:53 pm
Posted on 5/14/22 at 8:47 pm to Jimbeaux
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Increased carbon dioxide in the air is a good thing.
Now THAT is a stupid statement.
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Posted on 5/14/22 at 8:53 pm to aTmTexas Dillo
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But I'm for more nuclear reactors which are rarely talked about anymore.
They are being talked about a whole lot! The EU relabeled nuclear power as a green energy about 7 or 8 months ago. In the US, politicians left and right are forming a consensus on going nuclear - Biden just authorized $6 billion to keep some nuclear plants open.
Posted on 5/14/22 at 9:01 pm to Penrod
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They are being talked about a whole lot! The EU relabeled nuclear power as a green energy about 7 or 8 months ago. In the US, politicians left and right are forming a consensus on going nuclear - Biden just authorized $6 billion to keep some nuclear plants open.
This is excellent news. Wasn't aware of that. We have to do something to ensure reliable generation. The grid is being taxed more and more, and with the shift and emphasis being put on electric everything, nuclear power generation is about as good as it gets.
There's plenty of weirdo navy nukes out there to run those plants.
Posted on 5/14/22 at 9:26 pm to Penrod
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Now THAT is a stupid statement.
Why? CO2 is plant food, and with our growing population, we need higher crop production.
Posted on 5/14/22 at 9:52 pm to TulaneUVA
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I realize it’s a pretty hot May but if we can’t get through May, how in the hell are we going to get through another 3-4 months? I’m new to Texas so not used to seeing these warnings. Are these warnings normal?
It’s normal when temp starts so far outside of averages. The energy markets mainly operate on forecasts and averages with some, but not huge margins for anomalies. They schedule plant outages for upgrades, maintenance, etc in staggered intervals to make sure that in the time of greatest demand, the most plants will be online. They set these margins thin to help keep prices lower than if they simply ran full strength all the time. Once an electron goes down the line, it’s either used or lost. Prices would be much much higher than they are now.
With the temps so far outside the average this weekend, and outages already scheduled at plants, it puts a strain on the system. Most warnings you see are simply calls to conserve.
Posted on 5/14/22 at 10:40 pm to TulaneUVA
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ERCOT is asking Texans to conserve power this weekend
Then conserve power this weekend.
The end.
Posted on 5/15/22 at 12:14 am to Thundercles
He’s got peaker plants running overtime, he knows his political career is on the line
Posted on 5/15/22 at 12:30 am to 9Fiddy
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With the temps so far outside the average this weekend, and outages already scheduled at plants, it puts a strain on the system. Most warnings you see are simply calls to conserve.
This heat was forecast a few weeks ago and ERCOT ordered plants not to shut down for scheduled maintenance last week. The question is, why did 6 plants shut down anyway?
Posted on 5/15/22 at 12:31 am to BabyTac
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Just wait until all the gigantic crypto loads start energizing. China is kicking them out for this while Texas is welcoming with open arms.
I thought that play used locally generated electricity from flare gas.
Posted on 5/15/22 at 12:59 am to Zappas Stache
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Now if Texas was part of the national grid, we could get energy from out of state. But as it stands, our politicians won't allow us to join the national grid.
Where did you get the talking point from? Texas has several grid ties.
They are actually exporting over half a gigawatt of power to the Eastern Interconnection.
LINK
There is also an emergency high volume grid tie in Houston that will full connect Texas to the Eastern interconnect.
Posted on 5/15/22 at 1:02 am to JudgeHolden
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Just wait until all the gigantic crypto loads start energizing. China is kicking them out for this while Texas is welcoming with open arms.
Crypto mines aren't just coming in and drawing power off the grid wily nily. They are contracting with power producers to increase their long-term capacity and investing money to help these producers ramp up. And just like with electric cars increasing demand, if power producers know there is a predictable long-term demand increase, they will increase capacity. It's the unpredicted demand increases, like this heat or a big freeze, where power suppliers can't keep up. And they can't keep excess capacity online for these unpredicted events since that would cut into their bottom line.
This post was edited on 5/15/22 at 1:03 am
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