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re: Tesla is going over the cliff. All the key employees are bailing and the sales
Posted on 2/25/19 at 11:14 pm to fightin tigers
Posted on 2/25/19 at 11:14 pm to fightin tigers
quote:There you go twisting words again. Did I say you are "against" the future? No, but I am implying that you have absolutely no idea what it takes to make it a bright one.
Right...don't be critical of TSLA. Doing so means I am against the future.
quote:First, I find it absolutely hilarious that a conservative doesn't believe in trickle down all of a sudden. Second, Musk is probably the absolute last person on the planet that anyone should accuse of falling short on results. The dude has basically single-handedly transformed multiple enormous industries. Energy, transportation, motherfricking space travel. What sort of shite are you doing in life to say that Musk is short on results?
Just feed a billionaire more money to fall short on results and fuel his own pocketbooks.
quote:Back to the environmental shite that no one but you is talking about.
Again. God forbid you be critical of TSLA because you will be accused of being against the environment.
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Posted on 2/25/19 at 11:17 pm to fightin tigers
quote:I don't think you quite understand the point of cryptos.
TSLA reminds me of bitcoin.
There is a market willing success despite so many signs of collapse. If they ever try to actually capitalize it will ruin the entire market.
Posted on 2/25/19 at 11:21 pm to Korkstand
Explain this.
Without involving this:
He popularized all of these things and promoted himself doing all of them.
SpaceX is best example of transforming an industry he has, and that is the one he is most disconnected from.
TSLA, bought his way in.
Solar City, basically failing until he used TSLA capital to bail it out. And make an obscene profit.
quote:
No, but I am implying that you have absolutely no idea what it takes to make it a bright one.
Without involving this:
quote:
Back to the environmental shite that no one but you is talking about.
quote:
The dude has basically single-handedly transformed multiple enormous industries. Energy, transportation, motherfricking space travel. What sort of shite are you doing in life to say that Musk is short on results?
He popularized all of these things and promoted himself doing all of them.
SpaceX is best example of transforming an industry he has, and that is the one he is most disconnected from.
TSLA, bought his way in.
Solar City, basically failing until he used TSLA capital to bail it out. And make an obscene profit.
This post was edited on 2/25/19 at 11:22 pm
Posted on 2/25/19 at 11:49 pm to fightin tigers
quote:Environmental concerns are but one part of the "future". And we have a large percentage of the population that actually WANTS to believe that EVs are somehow worse for the environment than burning everything we can dig up.
Explain this.quote:
No, but I am implying that you have absolutely no idea what it takes to make it a bright one.
Without involving this:quote:
Back to the environmental shite that no one but you is talking about.
So I have tried to avoid discussing that topic with people who absolutely will not apply logic, and instead focus on the more pressing economic issues. And the way I see it, we as a nation absolutely must be energy independent. We might be able to find enough fossil fuels to sustain ourselves for a long time, but the supply is not infinite, and the closer we come to running out the higher the costs of that energy will get. One thing that is infinite (as far as human civilization is concerned) is sunlight, and we can throw wind, hydro, and probably some form of nuclear in there, too. It should be plainly obvious that it will take a long time and a lot of investment to move to 100% renewables, so we'd be wise to get started.
Also, from the perspective of individual freedom and independence, you and I have no chance at all of producing our own energy from fossil fuels. No amount of technology or money will make that happen, we just don't have the physical resources. But, in my opinion, anyone who places value on DIY skills like carpentry, metalworking, etc., or anyone who values the ability to grow their own food, and the sense of independence that those things provide, should 100% love the idea of solar panels and electric vehicles.
quote:Marketing is probably 97% of business.
He popularized all of these things and promoted himself doing all of them.
quote:You think the founder, CEO, and CTO is "disconnected"? It may seem that way because he is involved with other huge projects that get more publicity, but he is much more involved than you think.
SpaceX is best example of transforming an industry he has, and that is the one he is most disconnected from.
quote:Is that a knock somehow? He "bought his way in" before they built a single vehicle. He oversaw every detail of the original Roadster design and production. It was his idea to start with a premium sports car then "work down" to sedans/etc. He is 100% responsible for the direction of the company from the very start.
TSLA, bought his way in.
quote:This happens every single day in all industries.
Solar City, basically failing until he used TSLA capital to bail it out. And make an obscene profit.
This post was edited on 2/25/19 at 11:52 pm
Posted on 2/25/19 at 11:57 pm to fightin tigers
quote:
He gave away the technology for free and the companies that are fueling China are winning.
Are you willfully ignorant or just a bullet points reader? The more you type the more it is clear this is simply a political issue for you and nothing more.
You are trying to sound above the political fray and make it a business argument but then you say something that makes it clear you don't know what you are talking about. He did NOT give the patented tech away for free, if a company uses it then it owes Tesla something in return, did you not know that or were you trying to obfuscate the truth?
Within the Chinese market, the companies may try to use the Tesla tech and not pay the price however if they have designs of the world market, which they do, they will be less likely to use it without proper remuneration.
The open sourcing of their patents was an interesting play, but US and European manufacturers have been shy to take the offer probably figuring the juice isn't worth the squeeze.
Posted on 2/26/19 at 5:00 am to gizmothepug
quote:
Elon is a genius,
Posted on 2/26/19 at 6:35 am to stelly1025
Did the jackass get in trouble again for tweeting?
Posted on 2/26/19 at 6:36 am to stelly1025
You don’t think so? Why not?
Posted on 2/26/19 at 6:43 am to Balloon Huffer
Beyond the quarter, plenty will take you. Then, those folks will continue on their journey whereas you better find a charging station.
Neat, trend-setting autos, but they aren’t there yet.
Neat, trend-setting autos, but they aren’t there yet.
Posted on 2/26/19 at 7:50 am to Mo Jeaux
quote:
You don’t think so? Why not?
He is a bullshite artist, also smart ,but certainly not a genius... He cons the government into giving him federal subsidies where he vastly overpromises and rarely delivers.
Posted on 2/26/19 at 8:16 am to jimdog
Teslas are hideous anyway
This post was edited on 2/26/19 at 8:21 am
Posted on 2/26/19 at 8:38 am to stelly1025
quote:
and rarely delivers.
Pretty sure SpaceX disagrees...
Posted on 2/26/19 at 8:40 am to FredsGotSlacks
quote:
FredsGotSlacks
Great name
quote:
Once the Y is in production the 3 will continue to do moderately well domestically while selling extremely well internationally where they prefer smaller sedans.
I agree. Tesla is a pioneer... its extremely difficult to be the first to do something on a mass scale and be successful. These companies coming behind them will probably do better.. but not kill tesla.
This post was edited on 2/26/19 at 8:41 am
Posted on 2/26/19 at 8:43 am to Obtuse1
quote:
He did NOT give the patented tech away for free, if a company uses it then it owes Tesla something in return, did you not know that or were you trying to obfuscate the truth?
He basically 'open sourced' the work for the greater good of humanity.
Also knew Chinese companies were going to steal the technology so the idea was basically not to get tied up in lawsuits defending them.
He gave up on the idea if defending patented technology.
Posted on 2/26/19 at 8:44 am to TigerGman
quote:
Pretty sure SpaceX disagrees...
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Tesla is going over the cliff. All the key employees are bailing and the sales
Pay attention.
This post was edited on 2/26/19 at 8:46 am
Posted on 2/26/19 at 8:45 am to Restomod
quote:
Teslas are hideous anyway
It's interesting, People who buy EV's want advant garde styling.
The more it looks like a weird electric car the better.
Posted on 2/26/19 at 9:02 am to Korkstand
quote:
The fundamentals matter, and investors do care about them. It's *you* who are interpreting the fundamentals incorrectly. Tesla is a company in startup growth mode, not a 100 year old dividend stock.
Why is it a publicly traded company then?? There use to be rules to ipo, and stay on the market. Tesla doesnt/hasnt met any of them. This is why people are forced to care as it messes with true fundamentals in the market. The new "IPO-ing" companies with horrible #s is not good. Essentially it's just getting money back from the stock market for early private Series A,B,C,D...XYZ investors
Posted on 2/26/19 at 9:10 am to fightin tigers
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So if Musk gets booted what happens to TSLA?
Musk wont get booted though. He can get yanked out by legal issues or if his chips are called by all he has banked his tesla stock on.
If he were removed though it'll be tough to know what would happen, cause it all depends on how he is gone. Higher chance he dies then he gets booted by his board as he holds like 59% of it. He wasnt stupid, and probably learned from previous ventures
Posted on 2/26/19 at 9:14 am to TOSOV
quote:
He wasnt stupid, and probably learned from previous ventures
You know the SEC asked he be held in contempt, right.
Posted on 2/26/19 at 9:16 am to TOSOV
The SEC can demand his removal.
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