re: Tesla is going over the cliff. All the key employees are bailing and the sales

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charge it at work or at home with my solar panels,

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Details on solar panels, charge time, etc?

Nice. Long winded brag post

Obama/Trump took personality cults mainstream. It's all cool now

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Dont know about him but my information says selling 5 thousand cars a week you lose money on makes it difficult to pay 10 billion in debt. Can you flesh out how this works out in your mind?

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5k/week is the max capacity with the Fremont facility only while also producing smaller quantities of S/X as well. They actually have pretty good profit margins on the 3s they are producing, the smallest margin is on the mid range battery and they’re still making over 20% on that one while still not at max production efficiency. The higher end 3s and the S/X they are making much higher margins. Go read about the production tear downs other companies are doing on Tesla’s vehicles.

And they don’t owe 10 billion any time soon, I believe they have a large note coming due within the next month that’s well over a billion and they have more then enough cash in the bank to pay it. Debt is an unfortunate requirement when you’re growing at the rate that Tesla is and they haven’t shown they are incapable of carrying it.

People have been shorting Tesla for quite a while and losing out, I became quite skeptical mostly because I think Elon is erratic and possibly crazy but then I realized they actually make a damn good car and they have some great solar technology coming down the line.

how many shares are you short, baw?

A friend (Mechanical Engineer) interviewed with Teslalast year. Sh said the folks that interviewed her were enough to make her stay away. She said they described the company pretty much as a high pressure, slow moving train wreck with high turnover.

What's not to like. She said they looked "doomed" due to the culture there.

Musk's main problem with Tesla is that he wasn't really versed on (and thus not prepared for) moving from a niche car manufacturer to a major player in vehicle output. As an article in Wired put it:

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"The Japanese style of production is to try and limit automation initially as it is expensive and statistically inversely correlated to quality," explains Benny Daniel, vice president of consulting on Mobility in Europe for Frost & Sullivan. "The approach is to get the process right first, then bring in the robots, basically the opposite of what Musk did.”

A sentiment that is echoed by Gartner’s automotive analyst Ramsey, who explains that Tesla is attempting to produce its Model 3 using prototype tooling, rather than testing its abilities first. "It's the start-up mentality again," he says. "Tesla takes the approach of trying something and then fixing it when it doesn't work, rather than testing before committing," he adds.

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What this means is that instead of fixing flaws before going into mass production, Musk is trying to fix them on-the-fly (both physical design as well as software upgrades). Were he to freeze all but the most needed changes for say three years and just focus on mass-producing a finalized product (leaving physical changes for later models and software upgrades for after they have been thoroughly tested), Tesla would be on far, far better footing right now.

Musk's mindset with Tesla still seems to be too much as that of a software developer -where actual production is really just another phase of beta testing- instead of a mass producer of a finished product.

I've said it before and I will say it again: if Musk can ever reliably mass-produce an all-electric vehicle that can go 300+ miles on a single charge, has at least 300hp, is under $30k and can be fully recharged (even if that means a battery swap) within the same time it takes to fill up a gasoline-powered vehicle then he'll change the automotive landscape forever.

Right now the only thing holding Tesla back is Tesla.

YAY CAPITALISM AND PRIVATIZATION :nana:

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I've said it before and I will say it again: if Musk can ever reliably mass-produce an all-electric vehicle that can go 300+ miles on a single charge, has at least 300hp, is under $30k and can be fully recharged (even if that means a battery swap) within the same time it takes to fill up a gasoline-powered vehicle then he'll change the automotive landscape forever.

Right now the only thing holding Tesla back is Tesla

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He has already changed it forever. Check out 3.0 autopilot features

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if Musk can ever reliably mass-produce an all-electric vehicle that can go 300+ miles on a single charge, has at least 300hp, is under $30k

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The $35k version will do 210 miles I believe so it's just a matter of will they be able to hit 5k a week of those. They pushed back when those will be ready a few times already. But, it's the best looking electric car brand out there currently at that price range and with the speed and smart car features is unbeatable at $35k. I mean would you buy a Leaf or Volt or Model 3 for $35k?

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and can be fully recharged (even if that means a battery swap) within the same time it takes to fill up a gasoline-powered vehicle then he'll change the automotive landscape forever.

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That's gonna take a while and the landscape has already changed as many manufacturers are going electric because of Tesla. I can't wait to see the Porsche.