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re: Tenn. cops vs. Texas cops in active shooter situations.
Posted on 3/28/23 at 4:41 pm to PillPusher
Posted on 3/28/23 at 4:41 pm to PillPusher
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For one thing the Nashville PD didn’t have 5 different agencies meeting this cop at the door telling him to stand down. That’s where Uvalde went wrong. Too many cooks in the kitchen. Also they were giant pussies.
Too many cooks continually arriving outside and then taking 2nd and 3rd hand info as really no one in charge outside or officially relaying communications to and from the person in charge inside the building which leads to biggest problem - the district’s own chief of police running shite show. The school district’s police with jurisdiction only over the districts’ campuses and run by a chief overseeing just a handful of employees should not have been running operation once more experienced and equipped cops started showing up (or part of the plan). It also led to active shooter plan, active shooter trainings, and oversight of both to be completely controlled by the school district.
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Posted on 3/28/23 at 4:48 pm to LNCHBOX
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Anyone sitting around waiting for an hour while kids and teachers died
So are you saying you don’t know the answer?
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Fed offers training to all departments, an offer Uvalde didn't accept, frick those cowards. They had all the cool tactical shite and did nothing with it. They can all burn in hell.
Uvalde city police or the uvalde school district’s own police?
It’s ok to just say you don’t know. It wasn’t a trick question but just a clarifying one as just saying Uvalde leaves open it being Uvalde School District Police, Uvalde City police, and I guess even the Uvalde County sheriff.
This post was edited on 3/28/23 at 4:49 pm
Posted on 3/28/23 at 4:51 pm to SpartanSoul
MPD's response should be praised even further as it has been shown time and time again that the police are there to protect and serve THE LAW, not the people. There's no police version of the Hippocratic Oath where they swear to save lives. Uvalde personifies that by a mile.
MPD went in, didn't waste time on digging corners, cleared fast and efficiently, and neutralized that frick. Textbook.
MPD went in, didn't waste time on digging corners, cleared fast and efficiently, and neutralized that frick. Textbook.
Posted on 3/28/23 at 5:01 pm to Dragula
quote:when little kids are getting massacred in a school, you go in there and neutralize the threat. full stop, no exceptions, no excuses.
So you think there would be no difference in PD training/response and resources between the City of Boston and say Pineville?
gtfoh with "training" and "resources".
eta: they put their 47k/year salaries above the lives of innocent children. they can all burn in hell.
This post was edited on 3/28/23 at 5:13 pm
Posted on 3/28/23 at 5:02 pm to SpartanSoul
Congrats to those officers. Raises, promotions, medals should all be on the table.
Posted on 3/28/23 at 5:50 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
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when little kids are getting massacred in a school, you go in there and neutralize the threat. full stop, no exceptions, no excuses.
gtfoh with "training" and "resources".
eta: they put their 47k/year salaries above the lives of innocent children. they can all burn in hell.
No one here is making excuses for Ulvade, I'm just saying you get different response and resources with a large Metro Police department vs a small town police. department.
Posted on 3/28/23 at 5:55 pm to SpartanSoul
Next let's compare a Bulls/Celts game from say, 1986 to a girls elementary church league game because that is comparable.
This post was edited on 3/28/23 at 10:05 pm
Posted on 3/28/23 at 5:59 pm to LNCHBOX
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Fed offers training to all departments, an offer Uvalde didn't accept, frick those cowards. They had all the cool tactical shite and did nothing with it. They can all burn in hell.
Most Metro PD departments train for this YEARLY, Ulvade even if the did go, would probably go once. Big difference between a city with nearly 1 million people vs 15,000 residents. That said there is no excuse for Ulvade's response.
Posted on 3/28/23 at 6:06 pm to Dragula
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That said there is no excuse for Ulvade's response.
I think that's what pissed people off the most. Not so much that they hesitated, but that they had people who were ready to go in and stopped them, focusing more on bureaucratic bullshite than actually saving lives.
Posted on 3/28/23 at 6:17 pm to Centinel
two totally different situations
Uvalde had a trained border rat, mucho practiced in ar operation behind a locked steel door
Nashville had a girl, a Karen looking out the window with no limits to access .
that's the fact jack
Posted on 3/28/23 at 7:50 pm to Trevaylin
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two totally different situations
Both were active shooter situations subject to the usual "fog-of-war" chaos.
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Uvalde had a trained border rat, mucho practiced in ar operation behind a locked steel door
The Uvalde shooter purchased one of his two weapons on his 18th birthday, May 17th, and the second a few days later on May 20th.
He entered Uvalde elementary school on May 24th. There's no evidence he was a competent AR marksman.
Evidence is inconclusive that the classroom entrance door was either locked or unlocked. The shooter was hiding inside a closet he exited as Border Patrol officers entered the room and killed him.
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Nashville had a girl, a Karen looking out the window with no limits to access
A circumstance known after the fact and immaterial. Nashville LEO's had no advance, detailed info on the shooters skill or exact location as they entered the school.
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that's the fact jack
Your assertions to minimize Nashville LEO's heroic performance and attempt to mitigate the Texas LEO's dismal behavior, are false.
Posted on 3/28/23 at 8:22 pm to SpartanSoul
Never forget the head cop in Uvalde was a huge Beto supporter; stopped and detained fellow officers trying to get in. A lot of conspiracy theories going on there.
Posted on 3/28/23 at 8:26 pm to SpartanSoul
Better to face an army of lions led by a lamb than an army of lambs led by a lion...
The Uvalde leadership failed totally. Poor training, poor on the scene direction, etc.
The Uvalde leadership failed totally. Poor training, poor on the scene direction, etc.
Posted on 3/28/23 at 8:29 pm to SpartanSoul
Collazo throwback being shared online
MNPD Officers clocked in and went straight to work & are worthy of every bit of praise being thrown their way
MNPD Officers clocked in and went straight to work & are worthy of every bit of praise being thrown their way
Posted on 3/28/23 at 8:38 pm to Mr Breeze
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Evidence is inconclusive that the classroom entrance door was either locked or unlocked. The shooter was hiding inside a closet he exited as Border Patrol officers entered the room and killed him.
Not getting in middle of debate and don’t know what’s being debated, but just wondering about one point.
I thought Border team had to get a key to enter classroom. I also thought the teacher who was shot and survived was just going to shut and secure the door after first getting kids settled below desks or wherever and playing some game with them to relax/calm them, but he had barely begun to go towards door before shooter entered and shot him.
The door (or shared hallway) between the 2 classrooms wasn’t locked. Other talk about possible problem with regular classroom door in past, but I didn’t think it matter for shooter as it was open. It’s been awhile, but I was thinking last I read was border team required a key to enter which seemed to imply locked worked but again door wasn’t even closed when shooter arrived.
Has anything new come out on this or entry door to the building?
I have wondered if they are going to be able to pinpoint issue with entry door to building. Last I remember the prop holding door open was removed, and door was slammed shut by a teacher running back inside after seeing shooter. Door didn’t lock for some reason (which would not have stopped him but may have slowed him down or made him more recognizable to district cop driving by). I had thought maybe the slam made door bounce back just enough for lock not to catch or even messed it up, and teacher had to run off without checking due to shooter approaching.
This post was edited on 3/28/23 at 8:39 pm
Posted on 3/28/23 at 8:40 pm to Polycarp
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Never forget the head cop in Uvalde was a huge Beto supporter; stopped and detained fellow officers trying to get in. A lot of conspiracy theories going on there.
That’s not correct. Beto called out the lack of gun control laws in the Uvalde press conference and the police chief was yelling at him and was extremely defensive…
Posted on 3/28/23 at 8:41 pm to SpartanSoul
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God bless those officers.
I don’t own a bar or restaurant. But if I did and these officers came in, they’d have pick of the menu and their money would be no good.
Posted on 3/28/23 at 10:02 pm to dallastigers
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Not getting in middle of debate and don’t know what’s being debated, but just wondering about one point. I thought Border team had to get a key to enter classroom.
True and there was a report that the agent with the key discovered the door was either unlocked or had a known defective lock. I haven't followed the story in quite a while.
I have an annual dove hunt out of Pearsall, TX not far from Uvalde. Good people in that area. I was and remain stunned by the lack of action from the various TX LEO departments on scene. Totally unexpected and tragic.
Posted on 3/28/23 at 10:32 pm to Dragula
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Most Metro PD departments train for this YEARLY, Ulvade even if the did go, would probably go once. Big difference between a city with nearly 1 million people vs 15,000 residents. That said there is no excuse for Ulvade's response.
Weren’t there over 300 law enforcement jackasses there when one showed up with balls big enough to do something?
You’re telling me that 300 law enforcement officers that were playing dress up in the tactical clothing, didn’t have enough training?
I’d be willing to bet those two officers were ex military. They knew what they were doing, took charge and were aggressive.
Nothing chaps my hide worse than seeing cops playing dress up like they just left the Delta compound on Ft. Bragg.
Posted on 3/28/23 at 10:34 pm to AGGIES
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That’s not correct
Wasn’t the school district’s head cop a big Beto fan, not necessarily the uvalde p.d. Chief
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