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re: Teachers are walking away from their careers in Alabama because of unruly students
Posted on 3/5/20 at 5:17 pm to StringedInstruments
Posted on 3/5/20 at 5:17 pm to StringedInstruments
Where you teach does make a huge difference. My 1st 3 years I taught in inner city San Antonio, which is probably not as bad as some other inner cities, and it was rough at times. My 1st year I wanted to quit many, many times.
I almost got in trouble for grabbing a kid. He got kicked out of class and held the door shut as the other kids were trying to get out. I shoved the door open grabbed him by the shirt and told him to never do that again. I quickly realized what I did and talked to my admin. The kid and a friend filed a report on me saying i slammed his head into the wall. Luckily, we had cameras that showed what I did. Didn't get into any trouble. But I will be honest, I was ready to be put on administrative leave while they investigated, I was struggling.
I moved over to being a football coach and things got easier and even had the kid above play for me for 2 years. But the first year i regretted my decision to be a teacher.
Moved to a suburb district and it is a 180. Went from writing 15+ referrals a year, getting cussed at to not writing a single referral in my 4 years at my new district. So much easier.
The other thing was that I didn't have my admin and district office all over me as much. Its all about your scores and at an underperforming school they come up with new ideas every year. Got a new superintendent and he has to bring all his great ideas(which were no better).
Unfortunately, I see the same things creeping into my current district. The new great method of teaching that we have to be trained on and conform to. More paperwork. Less worry about working with the Spec ed students but now the ESL students are the big push.
None of this would be a big deal, but it gets thrown at us, we have to immediately follow it and then before full implementation something different is done.
Overall, my job is not hard where I am now. Hours are long during the year, but that is b/c I coach. The stress of winning is the biggest stressor I have and this is only Middle school.
I almost got in trouble for grabbing a kid. He got kicked out of class and held the door shut as the other kids were trying to get out. I shoved the door open grabbed him by the shirt and told him to never do that again. I quickly realized what I did and talked to my admin. The kid and a friend filed a report on me saying i slammed his head into the wall. Luckily, we had cameras that showed what I did. Didn't get into any trouble. But I will be honest, I was ready to be put on administrative leave while they investigated, I was struggling.
I moved over to being a football coach and things got easier and even had the kid above play for me for 2 years. But the first year i regretted my decision to be a teacher.
Moved to a suburb district and it is a 180. Went from writing 15+ referrals a year, getting cussed at to not writing a single referral in my 4 years at my new district. So much easier.
The other thing was that I didn't have my admin and district office all over me as much. Its all about your scores and at an underperforming school they come up with new ideas every year. Got a new superintendent and he has to bring all his great ideas(which were no better).
Unfortunately, I see the same things creeping into my current district. The new great method of teaching that we have to be trained on and conform to. More paperwork. Less worry about working with the Spec ed students but now the ESL students are the big push.
None of this would be a big deal, but it gets thrown at us, we have to immediately follow it and then before full implementation something different is done.
Overall, my job is not hard where I am now. Hours are long during the year, but that is b/c I coach. The stress of winning is the biggest stressor I have and this is only Middle school.
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Posted on 3/5/20 at 5:31 pm to JabarkusRussell
I don't blame them, I taught at a school and I broke up a fight a day. You can't teach with that and when you got the administration involved they did not want to do anything because suspending or expelling the student, hurt the school score.
I really felt bad out of the 22 or so I had like 15 wanted to learn and be better but the ones that didn't give a frick made it impossible to do anything.
I've had a student punch me in the back of the head while breaking up a fight, I've had a student try to trip me as I was walking up and down aisles during test, I had a student claim I called him something that never happened. Mainly because there is no accountability in some households which is sad because parents should want better for their children.
I really felt bad out of the 22 or so I had like 15 wanted to learn and be better but the ones that didn't give a frick made it impossible to do anything.
I've had a student punch me in the back of the head while breaking up a fight, I've had a student try to trip me as I was walking up and down aisles during test, I had a student claim I called him something that never happened. Mainly because there is no accountability in some households which is sad because parents should want better for their children.
This post was edited on 3/5/20 at 5:33 pm
Posted on 3/5/20 at 5:34 pm to OysterPoBoy
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I thought it was just something girls did between graduating from college and getting pregnant.
I know this is likely in jest.
It amazes me how light people make of education. Are there some really shitty people that have made a career in academia that would likely be best to have their tenure stripped? Sure. But it's because comments like this make light of the profession and it pays dog shite. It's a pretty critical part of quality of life, yet people here think it's some sort of joke.
Posted on 3/5/20 at 5:38 pm to Odysseus32
They have some really shitty people in all professions... I'm sure we've all met someone who may be in an "esteemed" field and thought "wtf"
Posted on 3/5/20 at 5:38 pm to tduecen
quote:like message board admin ?
They have some really shitty people in all professions... I'm sure we've all met someone who may be in an "esteemed" field and thought "wtf"
Posted on 3/5/20 at 5:39 pm to OWLFAN86
I'm still salty about a few bans wondering how I caught the hammer and the other offender did not.
Posted on 3/5/20 at 5:52 pm to JabarkusRussell
My wife is in that number. She has taught kindergarten for 5 years in Gulf Shores, and she is done this year. Had a student kick and throw stuff at her while she was pregnant, they’ve called the cops on another kid, and yet another kid broke the Vice Principal’s ribs.
All kindergarteners. In Gulf Shores.
I think that 3 out of the 9 teachers at that grade are quitting this year. The stories I hear about 5 year olds are incredible.
All kindergarteners. In Gulf Shores.
I think that 3 out of the 9 teachers at that grade are quitting this year. The stories I hear about 5 year olds are incredible.
Posted on 3/5/20 at 5:53 pm to OysterPoBoy
quote:In
Is being a teacher a career?
I thought it was just something girls did between graduating from college and getting pregnant
Posted on 3/5/20 at 7:25 pm to Draconian Sanctions
Then explain why fully qualified good Catholic School teachers in New Orleans accept less money than their public school counterparts?
Posted on 3/5/20 at 7:31 pm to tiggerthetooth
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Every year kids become worse and worse, and the rules keep getting bent to appease the students and it never works.
This generation of parents have really lost it. It’s almost like they’ve given up, plus there are more kids in the system than ever before. Tons of kids are in custody of their states, it’s really sad to see.
Posted on 3/5/20 at 7:34 pm to BamaCoaster
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and yet another kid broke the Vice Principal’s ribs.
All kindergarteners.
A kindergartner broke an adult’s rib? That’s embarrassing
Posted on 3/5/20 at 7:37 pm to JabarkusRussell
Everyone in this thread knows EXACTLY what the issue and problem is but the answer will get you banned.
Posted on 3/5/20 at 7:39 pm to JabarkusRussell
I teach in Mobile and I deal with 143 eighth graders per day.
My regular classes have 31 kids each ... my advanced have 24.
There is a high Special Ed population at my school with very few paraprofessionals to help service the population. (Also, remember these paraprofessionals only make $17,000 a year ... you are not attracting the best and the brightest)
This is my last year as an English teacher here ... I figured teaching English in lower Alabama was job security.
The low pay argument does not wash. Teachers work half the year (185 days) ... if we worked closer to a full year's hours and got paid for a full year's work, the salary would be doubled and would be very nice. But, it is what it is. Teachers can whine all they want about extra hours we work outside of school but, hey, that is what we signed up for.
In Mobile, we have had our fair share of lawsuits ... the worst of which cited a disproportionate amount of minority suspensions to white suspensions. The school system lost the fight, paid a settlement, paid for all of the teachers in our system (largest system in Alabama) to be trained in alternative discipline methods.
Bottom line: Minorities cannot be suspended without a really good reason. Result? Inmates run the asylum. Also, nearly impossible to suspend a Special Ed student.
Society has pushed for this outcome and now they have it.
Career? Not sure what is meant by that. Most will say as I do: It is a calling.
I retire this year after 25 years of service to the public school system and plan to move to a private school nearby ... lower pay but supplemented by my state pension.
Combine this with our legislature messing up the pension system for new teachers and soon Alabama will have a crisis in education.
My regular classes have 31 kids each ... my advanced have 24.
There is a high Special Ed population at my school with very few paraprofessionals to help service the population. (Also, remember these paraprofessionals only make $17,000 a year ... you are not attracting the best and the brightest)
This is my last year as an English teacher here ... I figured teaching English in lower Alabama was job security.
The low pay argument does not wash. Teachers work half the year (185 days) ... if we worked closer to a full year's hours and got paid for a full year's work, the salary would be doubled and would be very nice. But, it is what it is. Teachers can whine all they want about extra hours we work outside of school but, hey, that is what we signed up for.
In Mobile, we have had our fair share of lawsuits ... the worst of which cited a disproportionate amount of minority suspensions to white suspensions. The school system lost the fight, paid a settlement, paid for all of the teachers in our system (largest system in Alabama) to be trained in alternative discipline methods.
Bottom line: Minorities cannot be suspended without a really good reason. Result? Inmates run the asylum. Also, nearly impossible to suspend a Special Ed student.
Society has pushed for this outcome and now they have it.
Career? Not sure what is meant by that. Most will say as I do: It is a calling.
I retire this year after 25 years of service to the public school system and plan to move to a private school nearby ... lower pay but supplemented by my state pension.
Combine this with our legislature messing up the pension system for new teachers and soon Alabama will have a crisis in education.
This post was edited on 3/5/20 at 8:11 pm
Posted on 3/5/20 at 7:42 pm to Draconian Sanctions
Classic drac
“If only we had more funding and programs”
fricking idiot
“If only we had more funding and programs”
fricking idiot
Posted on 3/5/20 at 7:54 pm to TDcline
Yes, a certain demographic is 90% of the problem and not just in education.
Posted on 3/5/20 at 7:55 pm to JabarkusRussell
I think an under-discussed negative of the profession is the soul crushing routine of it all.
I have considered it off an on the last 10 years, and had a sit-down with a good friend of mine that's a principal. When I told him I worried that 3 years in I'd feel like I was spinning my wheels, he said that was an incredibly valid concern and something almost every one of his colleagues struggle with - this was one of the smartest, most passionate teachers I know, and he straight up said the whole reason he moved to administration was the bleak future of 20-30 years of teaching on autopilot after he figured out what worked. He got about 7 solid years in the classroom and couldn't stand another second.
If you have aspirations and a drive to succeed or grow in a career, teaching is one of the last places you should look and I think a ton of new teachers aren't ready for the commitment.
I have considered it off an on the last 10 years, and had a sit-down with a good friend of mine that's a principal. When I told him I worried that 3 years in I'd feel like I was spinning my wheels, he said that was an incredibly valid concern and something almost every one of his colleagues struggle with - this was one of the smartest, most passionate teachers I know, and he straight up said the whole reason he moved to administration was the bleak future of 20-30 years of teaching on autopilot after he figured out what worked. He got about 7 solid years in the classroom and couldn't stand another second.
If you have aspirations and a drive to succeed or grow in a career, teaching is one of the last places you should look and I think a ton of new teachers aren't ready for the commitment.
Posted on 3/5/20 at 8:06 pm to JabarkusRussell
Destruction of the traditional family. The bra burners were successful in portraying the institution of fatherhood as blatantly sexist.
Respect for authority collasped.
Respect for authority collasped.
Posted on 3/5/20 at 8:07 pm to ksayetiger
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no,this is what happens when fricking crybaby millenials become parents. they instill no discipline at home and it shows away from home
This is the absolute truth. If boomers would’ve actually disciplined their children and held them accountable, instead of giving them a “better life growing up than I had” maybe this trend of shitty parenting wouldn’t be happening. And if you think it’s bad now, wait another 20 years
Posted on 3/5/20 at 8:07 pm to Muthsera
I’ve been cursed out, had desks thrown at me, stopped kids from trying to harm themselves, had a concealed knife in my room, been yelled at, name called. All of it. The mental state of these kids and lack of parenting are alarming. The parents get pissed and claim you never tried to make contact when their kid finally gets suspended because now it’s inconveniencing them. Their babysitter is gone. And yes 30 per class is too much. 25 is a cakewalk compared to 30.
Posted on 3/5/20 at 8:09 pm to JabarkusRussell
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I work with teens (not as a teacher)
Helping unwed mothers get their start?
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