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re: Teachers are walking away from their careers in Alabama because of unruly students

Posted on 3/5/20 at 3:58 pm to
Posted by thedentist45
Louisiana
Member since Jun 2008
568 posts
Posted on 3/5/20 at 3:58 pm to
Teaching someone something they have no desire to learn is difficult. Teaching someone something they have no desire to learn and are told by parents they don't need to learn anyway is impossible.
Posted by StringedInstruments
Member since Oct 2013
21082 posts
Posted on 3/5/20 at 3:59 pm to
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Can you elaborate more?


Well I do have to admit that I work in a very wealthy system with strong parent involvement. I think we have a 98% graduation rate and something like 90% go to college. So I AM working with better stock than most.

Because of that, I cultivate an environment that is conducive to collaborative learning. True collaborative learning - not just group work. We spend the first part of the year identifying student interests and their talents. Most of the ELA standards are learned and practiced through problem-based learning and passion projects. You can look up the "Genius Hour" project to read more about what my classroom might look like. Each student brings a their interests and skillsets to problems (problems identified through narrative and informational texts) and is responsible for helping their group come up with new solutions.

Everyone is expected to read on their own and use class time for mastering standards and solving problems. We don't do worksheets outside of organizers and use a lot of technological resources in class.

I also use flexible seating with multiple sections of the classroom structured for different needs, learning styles, or just desires. I even have an introvert cave where students can go for quiet time if there's the opportunity for independent work. There's a standing section, a couch section, some circular tables, bean bags, a few regular desks.

Because of the way we work and learn, talking is not only allowed in most cases, it's encouraged. We do have time for independent work - such as writing assignments - but we're mostly figuring things out together or applying concepts from texts to in-class activities.

I also don't have to see fidgety, energetic students (usually boys) as problems because they'll have the opportunity to move. I'm close to a courtyard and can see it through my classroom window. I have permission to let students work out there if there are no problems, so I've had guys go out there and throw a frisbee for a few minutes if they need to. Or have them just work out there if they're being loud. As long as they produce and accomplish what I need them to do, I'm fine with it.

These strategies aren't happening daily, but they do happen and the students understand it. The freedom they get helps build a rapport between me and them. They almost always listen to me, and to be honest, I've had one behavior problem in the past two years. As in one moment where I had to call a parent for a discipline issue. That was it.

BUT AGAIN...and I'll just be honest...my class roster is (guessing numbers) 90% white, 8% Asian, and 2% black, and our household income level is really high.

Sorry to bring race into it, but the reality in America is that a majority white school in a wealthy area is a dream environment to work in.
This post was edited on 3/5/20 at 4:01 pm
Posted by Aubie Spr96
lolwut?
Member since Dec 2009
44835 posts
Posted on 3/5/20 at 4:08 pm to
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my class roster is (guessing numbers) 90% white, 8% Asian, and 2% black, and our household income level is really high.



If you're in Bham, I live right down the street from the high school. I can see the stadium lights and hear the band on football Fridays.


My daughter was a problem child and still is. She has boarderline and some other issues. To say she was a handle in high school was an understatement. The admin of the school did everything possible to NOT help us. She basically did anything she wanted and NEVER got punished for it. So, as the parents, the school and the police totally undermined our efforts at discipline. Why should I listen to mom and dad when no one else seems to care?

My son was the total opposite. Straight as an arrow. We soon learned that the rules only applied to those that actually cared. The kid that never caused a problem ended up with more school discipline than they kid that did nothing but cause problems.

If I could do it all over again, we'd home school or private school for sure.
Posted by HempHead
Big Sky Country
Member since Mar 2011
56773 posts
Posted on 3/5/20 at 4:09 pm to
How the hell did you get that lucky?

I'd probably be happy being a teacher in those circumstances.
Posted by TheCaterpillar
Member since Jan 2004
76774 posts
Posted on 3/5/20 at 4:09 pm to
We need to start beating kids again.
Posted by HempHead
Big Sky Country
Member since Mar 2011
56773 posts
Posted on 3/5/20 at 4:11 pm to
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We need to start beating kids again.



More discretion in punishment ought to be used, too. Now, it seems, it's all or nothing. It encourages students to go full broke on bad behavior or just be as meek as possible.
Posted by Arkapigdiesel
Faulkner County
Member since Jun 2009
15773 posts
Posted on 3/5/20 at 4:12 pm to
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This is what happens when your pay teachers poorly and thus you don’t attract quality candidates or administrators. Clowns are running the show and people wonder why kids today are lunatics.

Teachers don’t raise the kids, instill a moral compass, or teach them how to be productive citizens. Parents do that.
Posted by StringedInstruments
Member since Oct 2013
21082 posts
Posted on 3/5/20 at 4:15 pm to
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How the hell did you get that lucky?



I have no idea. I almost ignored the phone call inviting me for an interview. I was about to accept a job at Tarrant County Community College in Ft Worth. They called (somewhat randomly as I didn't apply directly to the school) and I went in out of respect for the principal.

So it goes.
This post was edited on 3/5/20 at 4:17 pm
Posted by TH03
Mogadishu
Member since Dec 2008
172004 posts
Posted on 3/5/20 at 4:16 pm to
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Teachers
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careers


Posted by SantaFe
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2019
8108 posts
Posted on 3/5/20 at 4:20 pm to
Parents. Often many parents coach their children to act " crazy" so that they can receive the SSI "crazy check". Seems pretty regular now that we have a weekly school meltdown post. I keep telling yall that EBR parish public schools is on the verge of giving up its last Death Rattle. Then where will the beautiful children be all day, Mall of Louisiana?
Posted by JCinBAMA
North of Huntsville
Member since Oct 2009
18425 posts
Posted on 3/5/20 at 4:31 pm to
This is all started when we got rid of corporal punishment.
Posted by Fat and Happy
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2013
20257 posts
Posted on 3/5/20 at 4:40 pm to
This is what happens when discipline and punishment softens
Posted by SalE
At the beach
Member since Jan 2020
3183 posts
Posted on 3/5/20 at 4:41 pm to
My wife, 1 BA and 2 MAs, has taught in Mobile County at the same school for 26 years. Senior Honors AP Gov and Eco...and probably know mores about the Constitution than most in Congress or anyone posting on this board...so, that is an instance.
Posted by OWLFAN86
Erotic Novelist
Member since Jun 2004
198111 posts
Posted on 3/5/20 at 4:43 pm to
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.and probably know mores about the Constitution than most in Congress or anyone posting on this board...so, that is an instance.

doubt that
Posted by TIGRLEE
Northeast Louisiana
Member since Nov 2009
31493 posts
Posted on 3/5/20 at 4:43 pm to
No parental guidance at home.
Posted by SalE
At the beach
Member since Jan 2020
3183 posts
Posted on 3/5/20 at 4:43 pm to
My wife is in that number..thread I posted below..26 years.
Posted by High C
viewing the fall....
Member since Nov 2012
62202 posts
Posted on 3/5/20 at 4:48 pm to
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It’s been enabled by schools districts catering to sue happy parents that want to go after the school every time their kid gets suspended. And administrators not having the power to stand up to parents who think their special little baby would never do any wrong.


THIS!!!!!
Posted by SalE
At the beach
Member since Jan 2020
3183 posts
Posted on 3/5/20 at 4:51 pm to
That is her main problem...parents and admins....
Posted by Nottelling
Member since Feb 2020
151 posts
Posted on 3/5/20 at 4:52 pm to
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Teaching someone something they have no desire to learn and are told by parents they don't need to learn anyway is impossible.


This is the issue 100%
Posted by Ted2010
Member since Oct 2010
38958 posts
Posted on 3/5/20 at 5:09 pm to
School classrooms are just microcosms of what society has become today
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