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re: Teachers are walking away from their careers in Alabama because of unruly students
Posted on 3/5/20 at 3:05 pm to YumYum Sauce
Posted on 3/5/20 at 3:05 pm to YumYum Sauce
In St. Tammany Parish, they'll have a good 40 sub openings a day because no one will accept the assignments. The fact that they pay $70/day for someone with a Bachelors degree might play a part in that but what do I know?
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Posted on 3/5/20 at 3:05 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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This is what happens when your pay teachers poorly and thus you don’t attract quality candidates or administrators. Clowns are running the show and people wonder why kids today are lunatics.
no,this is what happens when fricking crybaby millenials become parents. they instill no discipline at home and it shows away from home
Posted on 3/5/20 at 3:06 pm to JabarkusRussell
I don't think classes should be bigger than 15 and ideally should have no more than 10 students.
When I was still in the teacher program in college and student teaching every class was 25-30 kids. The breakdown essentially went 3-5 kids being the ones who always had their hands up to answer questions and had their work done, 3-5 who were screwing around and either didn't care to do the work or had real life shite that caused them to be behind, and then everyone else who got barely any attention b/c the other two groups took up all my time.
Also, it wasn't the students that caused me to decide not to be a teacher. It was being forced to teach to the standardized tests that to me felt like I was doing little more than cramming a bunch of Snapple cap factoids devoid of any and all context that would help them understand why the frick they were even learning the shite in the first place.
When I was still in the teacher program in college and student teaching every class was 25-30 kids. The breakdown essentially went 3-5 kids being the ones who always had their hands up to answer questions and had their work done, 3-5 who were screwing around and either didn't care to do the work or had real life shite that caused them to be behind, and then everyone else who got barely any attention b/c the other two groups took up all my time.
Also, it wasn't the students that caused me to decide not to be a teacher. It was being forced to teach to the standardized tests that to me felt like I was doing little more than cramming a bunch of Snapple cap factoids devoid of any and all context that would help them understand why the frick they were even learning the shite in the first place.
This post was edited on 3/5/20 at 3:11 pm
Posted on 3/5/20 at 3:08 pm to JabarkusRussell
If a kid knows there will be no consequence if he trashes a room, throws furniture, bites a teacher, then he will do so.
My sister teaches in Atlanta Public Schools. She was assaulted...bit, punched, kicked by a student when she prevented him from passing her (she didn’t grab him but blocked his path) with stolen merchandise from a store during a field trip.
They sent him to the office for the rest of the day where they fed him juice and cookies.
He was in her class the next day. No punishment was ever done.
Why wouldn’t he act like an animal? What’s the consequence for him doing so?
My sister teaches in Atlanta Public Schools. She was assaulted...bit, punched, kicked by a student when she prevented him from passing her (she didn’t grab him but blocked his path) with stolen merchandise from a store during a field trip.
They sent him to the office for the rest of the day where they fed him juice and cookies.
He was in her class the next day. No punishment was ever done.
Why wouldn’t he act like an animal? What’s the consequence for him doing so?
Posted on 3/5/20 at 3:09 pm to JabarkusRussell
I wanted to be a high school football coach for a long time when I was growing up and when I went to college and had to pick what I wanted to do It just didn’t seem worth it regarding the pay, hours and ultimately having to deal with kids like me constantly.
I never really did anything bad in high school, but I liked to push the boundaries in regards to being a smartass and seeing what I could get away with. I know some teachers who enjoyed my presence because I did put in the work in the classroom, but I also know several that despised having to see me day in and day out.
The fact that some are asked to deal with much worse is beyond belief to me.
I never really did anything bad in high school, but I liked to push the boundaries in regards to being a smartass and seeing what I could get away with. I know some teachers who enjoyed my presence because I did put in the work in the classroom, but I also know several that despised having to see me day in and day out.
The fact that some are asked to deal with much worse is beyond belief to me.
Posted on 3/5/20 at 3:09 pm to JabarkusRussell
It’s been enabled by schools districts catering to sue happy parents that want to go after the school every time their kid gets suspended. And administrators not having the power to stand up to parents who think their special little baby would never do any wrong.
Posted on 3/5/20 at 3:12 pm to OysterPoBoy
Lol’d at this one- sure to trigger some poor teachers on here who feel like they’re intellectually superior to everyone but on a lower plain than male nurses.
This post was edited on 3/5/20 at 3:13 pm
Posted on 3/5/20 at 3:16 pm to JabarkusRussell
If your kid goes to secondary education in a public school system, you had better make sure they are in all AP/IB classes, and you had better be up at that school fully involved as much as work allows. If your kid is in general pop...that is exactly what it is. Just like prison. The teachers that "teach" the gen pop classes are babysitting. They have to spend so much time dealing with behavior issues and working with the ones who are so far behind they can't catch up, the kids with half a brain and proper social skills; get left just sitting there. If your kid can't hack AP/IB classes and/or you don't have the free time to be hyper involved....get your checkbook out and send them to a tough, barrier to entry private school.
This post was edited on 3/5/20 at 4:10 pm
Posted on 3/5/20 at 3:16 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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This is what happens when your pay teachers poorly and thus you don’t attract quality candidates or administrators. Clowns are running the show and people wonder why kids today are lunatics.
No.
Because of shitty parents and stupid school policies (no enforcement, no accountability)
My sister makes it clear as do many others (I work in Apple’s education and emerging markets division and deal with schools all the time)...
The problem is parents parents parents parents parents parents parents parents parents parents parents parents parents
And Administration Administration Administration
Go to any Atlanta Public School, even in the ghetto (especially in the ghetto) and you will see the Admin reserved parking spots filled with Escalades, Navigators, Mercedes, BMWs. It’s almost criminal what administrators get paid.
Posted on 3/5/20 at 3:16 pm to BluegrassBelle
In my grade school and high school, the principles and vice principles had big scary paddles and used them on your behind if you got sent to them by a teacher. This went a long way to maintain law and order.
Posted on 3/5/20 at 3:17 pm to JabarkusRussell
Since I was in school, I have heard people say "kid today are just different". I think it comes down to relatability. The older you get, the less you are aware of what kids are into, their social trends, etc.
With that said, there is no way schools should have 25-35 students in one class. If there are going to be that many, at least put someone else in the class who can work with some of them.
I don't care what kind of kids they are, you put 35 of them in one class.. They are going to act up.. Do silly shite..
Someone I know who used to be a teacher told me the reason they switched careers was not because of the kids, but because of the administration.
For example, they didn't. expel kids until after late October because they have to submit all the names of kids who register for free lunch and of course the more kids on the list the more money the school gets.. So once they get past that date.. Then they start getting rid of the really bad kids. So at the end of the year, when you have a surplus of money from kids who no longer are at school, but the school received money for.. Where does all of that money go?
And all the administration is worried about is test scores. They don't care if the kids learn or have learning experiences, its all about preparing them to take their test that reflects in the school. Its all a load of shite,
With that said, there is no way schools should have 25-35 students in one class. If there are going to be that many, at least put someone else in the class who can work with some of them.
I don't care what kind of kids they are, you put 35 of them in one class.. They are going to act up.. Do silly shite..
Someone I know who used to be a teacher told me the reason they switched careers was not because of the kids, but because of the administration.
For example, they didn't. expel kids until after late October because they have to submit all the names of kids who register for free lunch and of course the more kids on the list the more money the school gets.. So once they get past that date.. Then they start getting rid of the really bad kids. So at the end of the year, when you have a surplus of money from kids who no longer are at school, but the school received money for.. Where does all of that money go?
And all the administration is worried about is test scores. They don't care if the kids learn or have learning experiences, its all about preparing them to take their test that reflects in the school. Its all a load of shite,
Posted on 3/5/20 at 3:18 pm to Nawlens Gator
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my grade school and high school, the principles and vice principles had big scary paddles and used them on your behind if you got sent to them by a teacher. This went a long way to maintain law and order.
Yeah, when you’re 6’2, 225 and in high school athletics shape this isn’t scaring anyone.
Posted on 3/5/20 at 3:20 pm to Draconian Sanctions
We pay more per student than any other country. Pay isn’t the issue, it’s the removal of consequences for bad behavior. Something liberals love to do.
Posted on 3/5/20 at 3:21 pm to Colonel Angus
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If you kid goes to secondary education in a public school system, you had better make sure your kid is in all AP/IB classes and you had better be up at that school fully involved as much as work allows.
This.
Even in the good school systems in Atlanta like Cobb and Gwinnett, classes are a joke. They aren’t teaching the bare minimum in terms of college preparedness. They are almost teaching the minimum social skills on how to function in society.
AP classes aren’t anything special but they are real classes. They are like classes used to be.
Posted on 3/5/20 at 3:27 pm to deathvalleyfreak43
Why do you feel the need to **** on teachers?
Posted on 3/5/20 at 3:32 pm to xxTIMMYxx
He is a fricking troll and possibly the worst poster on here. Ignore him.
Posted on 3/5/20 at 3:33 pm to OweO
quote:not even close
possibly the worst poster on here. Ignore him.
Posted on 3/5/20 at 3:33 pm to JabarkusRussell
An ex of mine, a Rutgers graduate, joined Teach for America and was sent to Bessemer to teach math....even though her degree was in political science.
She was a good bleeding heart, though, and she couched all the behavorial problems in some kind of socioeconomic pabulum. I'll note that she quit doing it as soon as she was able, though.
I wouldn't teach in the ghetto for multiple six figures unless I was able to actually enforce some rules. Otherwise, you'll just get frustrated and disillusioned.
She was a good bleeding heart, though, and she couched all the behavorial problems in some kind of socioeconomic pabulum. I'll note that she quit doing it as soon as she was able, though.
I wouldn't teach in the ghetto for multiple six figures unless I was able to actually enforce some rules. Otherwise, you'll just get frustrated and disillusioned.
Posted on 3/5/20 at 3:34 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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This is what happens when your pay teachers poorly and thus you don’t attract quality candidates or administrators. Clowns are running the show and people wonder why kids today are lunatics.
this is mostly due to federal issues like over-diagnosing children as disabled. once that happens they're teflon
the move to integrate disabled students into normal classrooms has also had disastrous effects. now nobody gets an education in some places
paying teachers more won't solve the problem of the lack of responses to unruly disabled students. they can't do anything in response
Posted on 3/5/20 at 3:35 pm to JabarkusRussell
Kids are worse bc they are being taught that way both by parents and all this social coddling.
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