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Posted on 7/15/20 at 9:56 am to auwaterfowler
We will be exposed to COVID no matter what you do. You can run, but you can't hide. Deal with it. 
Posted on 7/15/20 at 9:57 am to Breesus
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Instead we have entire populations of able bodied people unemployed because people like you won't let them go to work.
i'm talking about personal responsibility, not governmental action
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what is your solution.
the best we have now is people taking personal responsibility seriously and doing very reasonable things to lower potential spread. i've said for months now, the virus isn't particularly deadly, but it's easily transmitted and the spread is ultimately deadly.
if people don't want to take personal responsibility, then this is going to be worse (especially since there are some reports of reinfection and that our natural antibodies only last a couple months). when i say worse, i mean exponentially increased spread risk to at risk populations and exponentially increased hospital capacity usage.
it doesn't seem like herd immunity is a realistic option, at least for the US. if that is true, then there is no good solution. we have to deal with the least bad option. being responsible isn't that bad of an option or a major burden.
Posted on 7/15/20 at 9:58 am to BluegrassBelle
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Perfect Attendance Awards are fricking stupid.
Just a postscript to my original story. The mother who insisted on the 13-year perfect attendance award (and not just the 4 year award for High School) was one of these domineering moms who tried to control every aspects of her kids' lives. Given the perfect attendance thing, I think most could have already figured that one out.
My brother's friend had a little sister. The mother did the same exact thing with his sister. The girl seemed like the perfect little obedient Catholic school girl. But, apparently when she got to the teenage years she rebelled. She wound up getting pregnant at 15. There went her perfect attendance award -- although I'm sure the mom did her best to bully her way into getting the girl an award given the girl's condition.
ETA: To add more misery to the mother's perfect little Catholic world, the son who got the 13-year perfect attendance award came out as gay in college. Yeah, I know -- GO FIGURE! My mom knew the mom and said that the woman went from a loud mouth who bragged about her perfect son every day to not saying a word about him ever again. Karma is indeed a B!TCH!!!
This post was edited on 7/15/20 at 10:26 am
Posted on 7/15/20 at 9:59 am to Breesus
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So the Asian population gets covid and keeps going, but the earth has to stop of it escapes asia?
yeah
areas infected shut down. if it expands its geography, so will the economic impacts
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The Great Depression was a 100% artifical government created event?
Posted on 7/15/20 at 9:59 am to TheFlyingTiger
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you acknowledge an incentive to pump death and case numbers, then still cite those numbers as reason to continue your religious belief.
Lol you didn't even attempt to read/understand what I said because it doesn't fit your narrative while implying I'm the one with "religious belief" on this issue.
Posted on 7/15/20 at 10:00 am to SlowFlowPro
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Roughly 20 states have laws like the one in Arkansas that make it a crime for people with HIV to have sex without first informing their partner of their infection, regardless of whether they used a condom or were on medication that made transmission of the disease effectively impossible.
You said the mother should be criminally liable. Not the daughter. That law is about a knowingly infected person informing someone about their own infection.
Try again.
And if we do take that law you used, had the daughter walked into the dance and yelled out "hey just FYI my mom might have covid" she should be shielded from liability?
This post was edited on 7/15/20 at 10:01 am
Posted on 7/15/20 at 10:00 am to SlowFlowPro
You have three issues, SFP. Because of the average age of death, most of the people dead would have died from the flu or some other respiratory illness in the same time frame. The "excess death" figure is very low. Add in all of the deaths that include car crashes and others that are just covid positive but not really a result of covid. And then add in all the "assumed" positives who come back negative but never get removed from the totals.
Even the CDC's total of 121,000 states "Table 1. Deaths INVOLVING coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19), pneumonia, and influenza reported to NCHS by week ending date, United States. Week ending 2/1/2020 to 7/11/2020.*"
These are based on death certificates where the facility is an INCENTIVE to put covid as the cause or that it was involved. These same facilities are facing financial crisis due to lack of elective procedures. They get an extra 20k from medicare if it's covid related.
Even the CDC's total of 121,000 states "Table 1. Deaths INVOLVING coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19), pneumonia, and influenza reported to NCHS by week ending date, United States. Week ending 2/1/2020 to 7/11/2020.*"
These are based on death certificates where the facility is an INCENTIVE to put covid as the cause or that it was involved. These same facilities are facing financial crisis due to lack of elective procedures. They get an extra 20k from medicare if it's covid related.
Posted on 7/15/20 at 10:01 am to Breesus
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You said the mother should be criminally liable. Not the daughter.
well i assumed the child was a minor
and i said that laws on criminal negligence are likely the avenue if someone wanted to pursue the charges
Posted on 7/15/20 at 10:03 am to SlowFlowPro
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Are we just going to shelter in place for two more years?
the scary answer is: probably
Are you insane?
You think sacrificing the global economy and the bankrupting our country is worth it for a virus that has a. 03% mortality rate?
Posted on 7/15/20 at 10:03 am to SlowFlowPro
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only there were criminal consequences for the mom's actions
Are you out of your mind? We're going to criminalize the flu? Because that's all this is - the flu.
Posted on 7/15/20 at 10:04 am to auwaterfowler
The real question is, why in the world would any school be having prom right now and why would you let your kid go?
Posted on 7/15/20 at 10:04 am to ell_13
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Because of the average age of death, most of the people dead would have died from the flu or some other respiratory illness in the same time frame.
but they didn't. also we see the same issues across the world so there is a real issue that we (as in the world) have to deal with
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Add in all of the deaths that include car crashes and others that are just covid positive but not really a result of covid. And then add in all the "assumed" positives who come back negative but never get removed from the totals.
again, we are seeing high death rates across the world. even if the US number is over-estimated by double, that's still roughly 70k deaths and it's just spreading in most of the country now. you don't think that's a substantial virus causing substantial carnage?
Posted on 7/15/20 at 10:04 am to TH03
oh I completely understand. the feds demand a shutdown, hospitals would much rather do elective surgeries, outpatient procs, make money normally than they would covid patients.
but the rules have changed, through the state/feds.
I dont give a single shite what the hospitals would RATHER be doing.
what's actually HAPPENING, though is an incentive to increase covid case and death numbers.
but the rules have changed, through the state/feds.
I dont give a single shite what the hospitals would RATHER be doing.
what's actually HAPPENING, though is an incentive to increase covid case and death numbers.
Posted on 7/15/20 at 10:05 am to BluegrassBelle
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I also had a parent two years ago that I had to call CPS on because her daughter was having a full on asthma attack (no nebulizer or inhaler at school) and Mom refused to pick her up or give consent for transport by EMS to a hospital because she didn't want it to "effect her Perfect Attendance". She almost died. It's one of the more batshit things I've seen.
This is your daily reminder that people are f*cking stupid.
These same people vote. And drive 5000lb SUVs. And on and on and on.
Posted on 7/15/20 at 10:06 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:of course for those people the death remains.
the previous deaths still remain
I'm talking about the value of the statistic as a data point in the decision-making process.
It's irrational to say "this a really serious problem we are going to be dealing with for two years, and my evidence is that 100k people died while we were first figuring out how to deal with the virus".
Let me ask you this question. If it is determined that the death rate over the June-August timeframe, for example, is in line with the seasonal flu, would it still make sense for us to treat this like the virus that ran through Italy in March?
Because it's essentially a different virus if we know how to treat it and this greatly reduced its mortality.
Posted on 7/15/20 at 10:06 am to SlowFlowPro
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i'm talking about personal responsibility, not governmental action
Personal responsibility artifically shut down the economy and skyrocketed unemployment?
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the virus isn't particularly deadly, but it's easily transmitted and the spread is ultimately deadly.
What does this mean?
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doesn't seem like herd immunity is a realistic option, at least for the US.
LINK?
This post was edited on 7/15/20 at 10:11 am
Posted on 7/15/20 at 10:07 am to auwaterfowler
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This is the sort of asshattery that will lead to civil suits
No it won't.
Posted on 7/15/20 at 10:07 am to Breesus
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You think sacrificing the global economy and the bankrupting our country is worth it for a virus that has a. 03% mortality rate?
i mean you do realize that even if we open up fully, we're going to likely face a global depression b/c of how everyone else responds, right? we live in a global economy and if they go down, we're going to suffer, too
this virus is DEVASTATING the ENTIRE WORLD right now
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03% mortality rate
assuming everyone in the world gets the virus once, that's about 23M dead people. you don't think that's going to have effects?
it sucks, but shite sucks right now. China is to blame 100% for this
Posted on 7/15/20 at 10:08 am to SlowFlowPro
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assumed the child was a minor
and i said that laws on criminal negligence are likely the avenue if someone wanted to pursue the charges
So if a minor with HIV fails to disclose HIV to a sexual partner their parents are liable?
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