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re: Stupid Crap Like This Is Going To Lead To Civil Suits
Posted on 7/15/20 at 9:48 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 7/15/20 at 9:48 am to SlowFlowPro
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when was the last flu season to have over 100k deaths in the US?
some quick googling on estimated deaths
19-20: 61,200
18-19: 34,200
17-18: 79,400
15-16: 23,000
when was the last flu that we tested masses of healthy people for?
when was the last flu we gave federal dollars to hospitals and states that show extra flu deaths?
when was the last flu we called deadly because people died with it, not from it?
when was the last flu we had a global social demonization of people who refuse to use an ineffective method of mitigation?
This post was edited on 7/15/20 at 9:51 am
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Posted on 7/15/20 at 9:48 am to auwaterfowler
A nurse that is self-centered and somehow completely ignorant of basic health principles? Never heard that one before.
Posted on 7/15/20 at 9:48 am to Breesus
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Tell me how you would word the law or criminal charge you are suggesting here
there are already laws on the books that use criminal negligence causing injury.
i mean hell, most states have laws against transmitting viruses already
LINK
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Roughly 20 states have laws like the one in Arkansas that make it a crime for people with HIV to have sex without first informing their partner of their infection, regardless of whether they used a condom or were on medication that made transmission of the disease effectively impossible.
don't act like this would be some novel interpretation of the law or some crazy type of charge that we've never seen before. they already exist
Posted on 7/15/20 at 9:48 am to ell_13
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100 other people....direct exposure... quarantine?
This 100%
This just isn't practical.
If we test enough, everyone quarantined....all the time.
Posted on 7/15/20 at 9:48 am to SlowFlowPro
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when was the last flu season to have over 100k deaths in the US?
Strawman. Please do what I asked:
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link me the statistics that prove this is worse than any flu season we've seen
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some quick googling on estimated deaths
How do they decide what counts as a flu death, when do they adjust the numbers, who makes up the majority of those numbers? What is the margin of error? Please provide links.
How do they decide what counts as a covid death, when do they adjust the numbers, who makes up the majority of those numbers? What is the margin of error? Please provide links.
This post was edited on 7/15/20 at 9:50 am
Posted on 7/15/20 at 9:50 am to crewdepoo
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Testing more people helps identify cases.
Identifying cases doesn't mean shite anymore....we know it is going to ravage its way through society with masks or no masks (ask Texas and California)....we need to be concerned about deaths and to a lesser degree hospitalizations. Since it's hard to fake deaths they've started cooking the hospitalization numbers as evidenced from the news out of Florida just yesterday.
Doctors I'm talking to are telling me that any issue with hospital capacity today mostly isn't due to actual room shortage but staff shortage due to the furloughs that were put in place back in April and May when elective procedures were cut off.
Posted on 7/15/20 at 9:50 am to SlowFlowPro
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when was the last flu season to have over 100k deaths in the US?
Literally no one knows the answer to this. Maybe 2018.
We definitely experienced hospital overruns (or threats of such) in spots around the country in 2018.
We do know that a lot of the covid deaths were due to mistreatment with ventilators and due to very poor decisions regarding the most at-risk populations. Since we aren't making those mistakes anymore, shouldn't we somewhat depreciate the value of that 100k+ deaths statistic?
I mean, don't we need to make balanced decisions based on the current situation, not based on March's situation?
Posted on 7/15/20 at 9:50 am to Bunk Moreland
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Are we just going to shelter in place for two more years?
the scary answer is: probably
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But, in spaces like a big workplace, you're just not going to be able to keep this down forever IMO.
i think the real studies that we need to invest in are about the spaces of transmission so we can focus on that
i think a lot of that is going on and it likely sucks for the South. also, all of the "it's going to die in the summer heat" folks may face some real irony when ACs start getting regulated more
Posted on 7/15/20 at 9:50 am to SlowFlowPro
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SlowFlowPro
You have to be pulling your hair completely out by now
Posted on 7/15/20 at 9:51 am to TheFlyingTiger
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when was the last flu that we tested healthy people for.
What does this have to do with deaths?
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when was the last flu we gave federal dollars to hospitals and states that show extra flu deaths.
Money that isn't just stashed away. It barely covers covid treatment expenses. Hospitals would much rather not have covid patients than be "reimbursed" for expenses of treating them.
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when was the last flu we called deadly because people died with it, not from it?
Idk, not covid though.
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when was the last flu we had a global social demonization of people who refuse to use an ineffective method of mitigation?
It's not ineffective so, again, idk.
Posted on 7/15/20 at 9:51 am to SlowFlowPro
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when was the last flu season to have over 100k deaths in the US?
The 2 people that I know that passed were both Dementia patients
They both caught the virus in the nursing home
Both were not aware of their surroundings but were not actively dying
They died of Covid when in reality Covid sped up a long, drawn out death
You have to understand that the flu or pneumonia or a bad stomach virus would have killed some of these people
Posted on 7/15/20 at 9:52 am to SlowFlowPro
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kind of a big deal in the world right now. we're on the verge of a global depression because of this virus
No.
We're on the verge of global depression because of extreme overreaction of government.
If the virus was causing the depression there wouldn't be enough workers because they'd all be dead.
Instead we have entire populations of able bodied people unemployed because people like you won't let them go to work.
I'll ask again: what is your solution.
You cannot be supportive of endless global economic shutdown with no solution.
What is your solution?
Posted on 7/15/20 at 9:52 am to Breesus
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How do they decide what counts as a flu death, when do they adjust the numbers, who makes up the majority of those numbers? What is the margin of error? Please provide links.
How do they decide what counts as a covid death, when do they adjust the numbers, who makes up the majority of those numbers? What is the margin of error? Please provide links.
it's pretty much the exact same process
Here are your CDC links with the information you requested
Posted on 7/15/20 at 9:53 am to Sao
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You have to be pulling your hair completely out by now
naw. been doing this kind of thing since i was like 16
Posted on 7/15/20 at 9:53 am to Cosmo
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We really need to stop testing people with no symptoms.
Posted on 7/15/20 at 9:54 am to ML Crisis
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Since we aren't making those mistakes anymore, shouldn't we somewhat depreciate the value of that 100k+ deaths statistic?
no it is going to depreciate the potential of the next 100k deaths over the next few months, which, thankfully, is happening
the previous deaths still remain
Posted on 7/15/20 at 9:54 am to SlowFlowPro
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even coronaviruses, in recent history. they just haven't spread outside of Asia
So the Asian population gets covid and keeps going, but the earth has to stop of it escapes asia?
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over 100k have died in the US over a couple months WHILE we engaged in the largest economic shut down since the Great Depression
The Great Depression was a 100% artifical government created event?
Posted on 7/15/20 at 9:55 am to TH03
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when was the last flu that we tested healthy people for.
What does this have to do with deaths?
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when was the last flu we gave federal dollars to hospitals and states that show extra flu deaths.
Money that isn't just stashed away. It barely covers covid treatment expenses. Hospitals would much rather not have covid patients than be "reimbursed" for expenses of treating them.
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when was the last flu we called deadly because people died with it, not from it?
Idk, not covid though.
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when was the last flu we had a global social demonization of people who refuse to use an ineffective method of mitigation?
It's not ineffective so, again, idk.
100% it's ineffective. even st. fauchi said so before the mask became a social experiment instead of a virus mitigation strategy.
you acknowledge an incentive to pump death and case numbers, then still cite those numbers as reason to continue your religious belief.
"idk not covid" is the fricking point.
if we did test healthy people for flu like we do covid, if we incentivized case and death numbers through massive subsidy it would look very similar.
if you subsidize something, you always get more of it.
Posted on 7/15/20 at 9:55 am to SlowFlowPro
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there aren't many good options right now
What a typical chickenshit lawyer response.
Everything you say is wrong.
Everything you propose is dumb.
I refuse to make any actual statements.
I offer no solutions or concrete principles.
I will tell you everything that is wrong and do nothing about it myself.
This post was edited on 7/15/20 at 9:56 am
Posted on 7/15/20 at 9:56 am to LSUJML
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You have to understand that the flu or pneumonia or a bad stomach virus would have killed some of these people
But those didn't kill them. Without covid, they'd be alive and no one would know if/when they'd die from one of your hypothetical situations.
If a terminal cancer patient dies in a car wreck, we don't just say "well he was dead from cancer soon anyways, the car wreck didn't do shite."
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