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re: Stupid Crap Like This Is Going To Lead To Civil Suits

Posted on 7/15/20 at 11:09 am to
Posted by Oilfieldbiology
Member since Nov 2016
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Posted on 7/15/20 at 11:09 am to
quote:



Quite: the virus isn't particularly deadly, but it's easily transmitted and the spread is ultimately deadly.

What does this mean?


It means he thinks this virus is deadly
Posted by Breesus
Unplug
Member since Jan 2010
69549 posts
Posted on 7/15/20 at 11:10 am to
So I won't be accused of strawman:

Where do you stand on allowing anyone under the age of 65 to go about their business while taking extra care around elderly and high risk?

This post was edited on 7/15/20 at 11:10 am
Posted by Oilfieldbiology
Member since Nov 2016
42812 posts
Posted on 7/15/20 at 11:10 am to
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The irony is you're likely arguing with guys who are told if they want their job, they have to wear eye protection, steel toes, FR and hard hats or they can't enter the workspace.


These things (minus FR) actually work
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
481275 posts
Posted on 7/15/20 at 11:11 am to
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Where do you stand on allowing anyone under the age of 65 to go about their business while taking extra care around elderly and high risk?

wait i misread

high risk is 40% of our population for obesity alone.

i don't know how you propose to take "extra care" of them, also.
This post was edited on 7/15/20 at 11:12 am
Posted by el Gaucho
He/They
Member since Dec 2010
60274 posts
Posted on 7/15/20 at 11:11 am to
Yes Karen, you should sue
Posted by icegator337
Lafayette
Member since Jan 2013
3757 posts
Posted on 7/15/20 at 11:11 am to
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You consider a global depression and destruction of small business coupled with hyper inflation and years worth of educational setbacks a minor inconvenience?

No, I consider wearing a mask inside with others around, standing 6' from people and staying home for 2 weeks if you suspect you have covid a minor inconvenience.
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
88469 posts
Posted on 7/15/20 at 11:12 am to
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it's just not possible in the real world.
There are few places in the real world where government takes the common sense approach especially when there's so much pressure to be the most strict in the shutdown. Do you not remember how we went from an NBA player testing positive on March 13th to schools being shut down for the rest of the year on March 15th? Within those two days you had governors and mayors in an arms race to see who can announce they'd be shutting down their cities/states for longer. It was amazing to see.

People took what was happening in northern Italy, the absolutely worst case scenario in terms of demographics and timing, and using it to scare everyone. Fear is a powerful thing.
This post was edited on 7/15/20 at 11:15 am
Posted by Mr Perfect
Member since Mar 2010
17836 posts
Posted on 7/15/20 at 11:13 am to
@slowflowpro very good arguments in here. you're sometimes a junk poster but today you're gucci for me
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
88469 posts
Posted on 7/15/20 at 11:13 am to
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high risk is 40% of our population for obesity alone.

i don't know how you propose to take "extra care" of them, also.
They can get in shape or they can risk dying... just like every other disease they may get.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
481275 posts
Posted on 7/15/20 at 11:16 am to
in March they were all also operating out of political fear, b/c they didn't have any idea of what to do (and refused to admit it). so yeah shite got crazy

it's clear, however, looking back that we can control the spread with restrictions on society (imposed via governmental or cultural means). wearing masks, social distancing, decreasing the number of groups of people congregating indoors, decreasing the time we spend indoors around other people, etc.

we've seen it in Asia, Europe, here, etc.

we've also seen increase in cases as we lessen these behaviors. the sweet spot seems to be figuring out how to reshape things while engaging in the spread-declining behaviors. some things are going to just be too risky. bars and night clubs are 2 examples.
Posted by Mr. Hangover
New Orleans
Member since Sep 2003
34932 posts
Posted on 7/15/20 at 11:17 am to
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ETA pics of mom?



Am I the only one who thinks this shite is played out and unfunny??

Posted by winkchance
St. George, LA
Member since Jul 2016
6841 posts
Posted on 7/15/20 at 11:19 am to
Exactly, people would be amazed at the number of flu positive people if everyone tested for flu without symptoms because they knew someone who had the flu. Cases are not the issue, deaths are the issue and deaths are decreasing as is the death rate as we find out that the vast majority of people are asymptomatic and this is similar to the common cold which is just ignored every year. Most adults get the cold 2-3 times of year with symptoms and just as many without. No one applies the same nonsense to the common cold and hundreds of thousands die from complications each year that can be traced back to it as it can lead to pneumonia in the elderly and people with respiratory diseases. This whole thing is being driven by the lowest common denominator.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
481275 posts
Posted on 7/15/20 at 11:19 am to
well i'm doing some other demos

49.2M Americans are over 65. that's about 15% of the population

34.2M have diabetes. that's slightly over 10% of the population

103M have high blood pressure. that's 31%

there is obviously overlap, but the "at risk" population (ignoring obesity) is probably about a quarter. taking them out of the economy will frick us into depression by itself.

and that's ignoring the costs we'll have to endure to keep these people alive while protecting them
Posted by lostinbr
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2017
12866 posts
Posted on 7/15/20 at 11:21 am to
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Then everyone who spread the flu because they went to work sick is just as criminal.

I don’t agree that it should be criminal. But anyone who goes to work with the flu and spreads it is definitely an a-hole.

I mean seriously, for all of the bickering about semantics here, can we not agree that going to prom when your mom has COVID and you’re waiting for test results is a dick move?
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
88469 posts
Posted on 7/15/20 at 11:22 am to
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wearing masks
Wearing medical masks correctly helps. Wearing cotton masks often and incorrectly may actually increase spread. Unfortunately, we don't have a good example of masks actually working in a public setting because there's no control. People wearing masks may be washing their hands less thinking they are protected. People wearing masks may be touching their face more and more freely touching surfaces. People wearing masks may not be disinfecting or changing them out frequently.
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social distancing
Works if hands are washed often.
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decreasing the number of groups of people congregating indoors
This one is a bit of a joke the way it's implemented. I can have 48 people to my house to party but I can't meet a friend at a bar with just the two of us sitting there? Lol. Okay.
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decreasing the time we spend indoors around other people
Again, this is difficult to control.
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some things are going to just be too risky. bars and night clubs are 2 examples.
People are having private parties instead. Like I said above, 48 people at a house is supposed to be safer?
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
88469 posts
Posted on 7/15/20 at 11:25 am to
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there is obviously overlap, but the "at risk" population (ignoring obesity) is probably about a quarter. taking them out of the economy will frick us into depression by itself.
80% of deaths are 65+. Protecting them is good enough for me. All the other at risk people will have to make their own decision about how much they do and don't do. We don't shut down a whole theme park because roller coasters can kill people with heart conditions. We don't ground all planes because pregnant woman shouldn't fly. What we do is we put out the word and add warnings everywhere to let these people know the risks and then they decide. Crazy concept.
This post was edited on 7/15/20 at 11:26 am
Posted by oogabooga68
Member since Nov 2018
27194 posts
Posted on 7/15/20 at 11:26 am to
We need to save everyone.

IMMEDIATELY outlaw alcohol, cigars, cigarettes, carbohydrates, sugar, pornography, guns, television and video games.....

Further, outlaw ALL risky activities such as hiking, mountain climbing, skydiving, baseball, football, basketball, etc.....

IMMEDIATELY mandate a period of exercise for all subjects of at least 30 minutes per day......

To insure plenty of resources for our Global citizens, there will be a limit of one child per family.....

More instructions on how to safely live your daily lives for the good of your fellow humans to shortly follow.....


Now, one of you Mask-Nazis prove to me that if we were to allow the implementation of the above rules that it wouldn't save MILLIONS of lives.....


PS: You can't because it WOULD save millions of lives, so if you aren't for it, you are a selfish piece of shite, no?
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
36672 posts
Posted on 7/15/20 at 11:29 am to
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we can control the spread with restrictions on society


Is this even desirable?

Lots of experts think that this just prolongs it. I believe at-risk people should take strict precautions and everyone else should live life normally.

And I've already had the virus.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
481275 posts
Posted on 7/15/20 at 11:32 am to
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Is this even desirable?

that's the question

quote:

Lots of experts think that this just prolongs it.

i was formerly hard in this group but it seems that reinfections will occur and some sort of herd immunity is unlikely

hopefully those studies are wrong
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
88469 posts
Posted on 7/15/20 at 11:33 am to
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it seems that reinfections will occur and some sort of herd immunity is unlikely
There's hardly any evidence of this yet. It's all been speculative at best.
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