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re: Stupid Crap Like This Is Going To Lead To Civil Suits
Posted on 7/15/20 at 11:09 am to Breesus
Posted on 7/15/20 at 11:09 am to Breesus
quote:
Quite: the virus isn't particularly deadly, but it's easily transmitted and the spread is ultimately deadly.
What does this mean?
It means he thinks this virus is deadly
Posted on 7/15/20 at 11:10 am to SlowFlowPro
So I won't be accused of strawman:
Where do you stand on allowing anyone under the age of 65 to go about their business while taking extra care around elderly and high risk?
Where do you stand on allowing anyone under the age of 65 to go about their business while taking extra care around elderly and high risk?
This post was edited on 7/15/20 at 11:10 am
Posted on 7/15/20 at 11:10 am to Sao
quote:
The irony is you're likely arguing with guys who are told if they want their job, they have to wear eye protection, steel toes, FR and hard hats or they can't enter the workspace.
These things (minus FR) actually work
Posted on 7/15/20 at 11:11 am to Breesus
quote:
Where do you stand on allowing anyone under the age of 65 to go about their business while taking extra care around elderly and high risk?
wait i misread
high risk is 40% of our population for obesity alone.
i don't know how you propose to take "extra care" of them, also.
This post was edited on 7/15/20 at 11:12 am
Posted on 7/15/20 at 11:11 am to auwaterfowler
Yes Karen, you should sue
Posted on 7/15/20 at 11:11 am to Breesus
quote:
You consider a global depression and destruction of small business coupled with hyper inflation and years worth of educational setbacks a minor inconvenience?
No, I consider wearing a mask inside with others around, standing 6' from people and staying home for 2 weeks if you suspect you have covid a minor inconvenience.
Posted on 7/15/20 at 11:12 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:There are few places in the real world where government takes the common sense approach especially when there's so much pressure to be the most strict in the shutdown. Do you not remember how we went from an NBA player testing positive on March 13th to schools being shut down for the rest of the year on March 15th? Within those two days you had governors and mayors in an arms race to see who can announce they'd be shutting down their cities/states for longer. It was amazing to see.
it's just not possible in the real world.
People took what was happening in northern Italy, the absolutely worst case scenario in terms of demographics and timing, and using it to scare everyone. Fear is a powerful thing.
This post was edited on 7/15/20 at 11:15 am
Posted on 7/15/20 at 11:13 am to SlowFlowPro
@slowflowpro very good arguments in here. you're sometimes a junk poster but today you're gucci for me
Posted on 7/15/20 at 11:13 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:They can get in shape or they can risk dying... just like every other disease they may get.
high risk is 40% of our population for obesity alone.
i don't know how you propose to take "extra care" of them, also.
Posted on 7/15/20 at 11:16 am to ell_13
in March they were all also operating out of political fear, b/c they didn't have any idea of what to do (and refused to admit it). so yeah shite got crazy
it's clear, however, looking back that we can control the spread with restrictions on society (imposed via governmental or cultural means). wearing masks, social distancing, decreasing the number of groups of people congregating indoors, decreasing the time we spend indoors around other people, etc.
we've seen it in Asia, Europe, here, etc.
we've also seen increase in cases as we lessen these behaviors. the sweet spot seems to be figuring out how to reshape things while engaging in the spread-declining behaviors. some things are going to just be too risky. bars and night clubs are 2 examples.
it's clear, however, looking back that we can control the spread with restrictions on society (imposed via governmental or cultural means). wearing masks, social distancing, decreasing the number of groups of people congregating indoors, decreasing the time we spend indoors around other people, etc.
we've seen it in Asia, Europe, here, etc.
we've also seen increase in cases as we lessen these behaviors. the sweet spot seems to be figuring out how to reshape things while engaging in the spread-declining behaviors. some things are going to just be too risky. bars and night clubs are 2 examples.
Posted on 7/15/20 at 11:17 am to Cosmo
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ETA pics of mom?
Am I the only one who thinks this shite is played out and unfunny??
Posted on 7/15/20 at 11:19 am to Cosmo
Exactly, people would be amazed at the number of flu positive people if everyone tested for flu without symptoms because they knew someone who had the flu. Cases are not the issue, deaths are the issue and deaths are decreasing as is the death rate as we find out that the vast majority of people are asymptomatic and this is similar to the common cold which is just ignored every year. Most adults get the cold 2-3 times of year with symptoms and just as many without. No one applies the same nonsense to the common cold and hundreds of thousands die from complications each year that can be traced back to it as it can lead to pneumonia in the elderly and people with respiratory diseases. This whole thing is being driven by the lowest common denominator.
Posted on 7/15/20 at 11:19 am to ell_13
well i'm doing some other demos
49.2M Americans are over 65. that's about 15% of the population
34.2M have diabetes. that's slightly over 10% of the population
103M have high blood pressure. that's 31%
there is obviously overlap, but the "at risk" population (ignoring obesity) is probably about a quarter. taking them out of the economy will frick us into depression by itself.
and that's ignoring the costs we'll have to endure to keep these people alive while protecting them
49.2M Americans are over 65. that's about 15% of the population
34.2M have diabetes. that's slightly over 10% of the population
103M have high blood pressure. that's 31%
there is obviously overlap, but the "at risk" population (ignoring obesity) is probably about a quarter. taking them out of the economy will frick us into depression by itself.
and that's ignoring the costs we'll have to endure to keep these people alive while protecting them
Posted on 7/15/20 at 11:21 am to ShoeBang
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Then everyone who spread the flu because they went to work sick is just as criminal.
I don’t agree that it should be criminal. But anyone who goes to work with the flu and spreads it is definitely an a-hole.
I mean seriously, for all of the bickering about semantics here, can we not agree that going to prom when your mom has COVID and you’re waiting for test results is a dick move?
Posted on 7/15/20 at 11:22 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:Wearing medical masks correctly helps. Wearing cotton masks often and incorrectly may actually increase spread. Unfortunately, we don't have a good example of masks actually working in a public setting because there's no control. People wearing masks may be washing their hands less thinking they are protected. People wearing masks may be touching their face more and more freely touching surfaces. People wearing masks may not be disinfecting or changing them out frequently.
wearing masks
quote:Works if hands are washed often.
social distancing
quote:This one is a bit of a joke the way it's implemented. I can have 48 people to my house to party but I can't meet a friend at a bar with just the two of us sitting there? Lol. Okay.
decreasing the number of groups of people congregating indoors
quote:Again, this is difficult to control.
decreasing the time we spend indoors around other people
quote:People are having private parties instead. Like I said above, 48 people at a house is supposed to be safer?
some things are going to just be too risky. bars and night clubs are 2 examples.
Posted on 7/15/20 at 11:25 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:80% of deaths are 65+. Protecting them is good enough for me. All the other at risk people will have to make their own decision about how much they do and don't do. We don't shut down a whole theme park because roller coasters can kill people with heart conditions. We don't ground all planes because pregnant woman shouldn't fly. What we do is we put out the word and add warnings everywhere to let these people know the risks and then they decide. Crazy concept.
there is obviously overlap, but the "at risk" population (ignoring obesity) is probably about a quarter. taking them out of the economy will frick us into depression by itself.
This post was edited on 7/15/20 at 11:26 am
Posted on 7/15/20 at 11:26 am to auwaterfowler
We need to save everyone.
IMMEDIATELY outlaw alcohol, cigars, cigarettes, carbohydrates, sugar, pornography, guns, television and video games.....
Further, outlaw ALL risky activities such as hiking, mountain climbing, skydiving, baseball, football, basketball, etc.....
IMMEDIATELY mandate a period of exercise for all subjects of at least 30 minutes per day......
To insure plenty of resources for our Global citizens, there will be a limit of one child per family.....
More instructions on how to safely live your daily lives for the good of your fellow humans to shortly follow.....
Now, one of you Mask-Nazis prove to me that if we were to allow the implementation of the above rules that it wouldn't save MILLIONS of lives.....
PS: You can't because it WOULD save millions of lives, so if you aren't for it, you are a selfish piece of shite, no?
IMMEDIATELY outlaw alcohol, cigars, cigarettes, carbohydrates, sugar, pornography, guns, television and video games.....
Further, outlaw ALL risky activities such as hiking, mountain climbing, skydiving, baseball, football, basketball, etc.....
IMMEDIATELY mandate a period of exercise for all subjects of at least 30 minutes per day......
To insure plenty of resources for our Global citizens, there will be a limit of one child per family.....
More instructions on how to safely live your daily lives for the good of your fellow humans to shortly follow.....
Now, one of you Mask-Nazis prove to me that if we were to allow the implementation of the above rules that it wouldn't save MILLIONS of lives.....
PS: You can't because it WOULD save millions of lives, so if you aren't for it, you are a selfish piece of shite, no?
Posted on 7/15/20 at 11:29 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:
we can control the spread with restrictions on society
Is this even desirable?
Lots of experts think that this just prolongs it. I believe at-risk people should take strict precautions and everyone else should live life normally.
And I've already had the virus.
Posted on 7/15/20 at 11:32 am to Bjorn Cyborg
quote:
Is this even desirable?
that's the question
quote:
Lots of experts think that this just prolongs it.
i was formerly hard in this group but it seems that reinfections will occur and some sort of herd immunity is unlikely
hopefully those studies are wrong
Posted on 7/15/20 at 11:33 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:There's hardly any evidence of this yet. It's all been speculative at best.
it seems that reinfections will occur and some sort of herd immunity is unlikely
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