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re: Study: Ancient DNA evidence shows ancient Carthage was not west African or Semitic...
Posted on 7/4/25 at 7:39 am to RollTide1987
Posted on 7/4/25 at 7:39 am to RollTide1987
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Hannibal probably didn't look like Denzel Washington.
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Posted on 7/4/25 at 7:45 am to SlowFlowPro
Most in Nort Africa even today especially western North Africa like Tunisia, Algeria and most Moroccans look "Mediterranean ". Even back 2200 -2600 years ago....and probably beyond. The Med was a pretty active place. The Phoenician and the Philistine are probably the same people. Probably Hellenic.
Israeli archeologists have found pottery and evidence that the Philistines were the "sea people" and those people were probably from the West like Greece. Greeks were everywhere in antiquity. If you read Thucydides he talks about Minos who by legend had controlled the sea lanes by essentially creating a Navy.
Phoenicians founded Carthage. Phoenicians were probably "Greek"
Israeli archeologists have found pottery and evidence that the Philistines were the "sea people" and those people were probably from the West like Greece. Greeks were everywhere in antiquity. If you read Thucydides he talks about Minos who by legend had controlled the sea lanes by essentially creating a Navy.
Phoenicians founded Carthage. Phoenicians were probably "Greek"
Posted on 7/4/25 at 7:48 am to Kcrad
Posted on 7/4/25 at 7:49 am to Corinthians420
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Well in case you are interested they did announce yesterday that they had sequenced an Egyptians DNA from around 3K BC. About 80 percent of the man's genome is linked to lineages in North Africa, while the remaining 20 percent is linked to lineages in West Asia.
That is very interesting. It's crazy how they can sequence DNA that far back, roughly 2,000 or so years before the height of Ancient Egypt. I wonder what the genetic make-up of the typical ancient Egyptian looked like in 1,500 BC when the empire was at its height?
Posted on 7/4/25 at 7:54 am to RollTide1987
I think they're sequencing DNA stuff in the Americas from much older samples than that
Posted on 7/4/25 at 7:58 am to deltadummy
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People desperately want to use new information to revise history a bit to say this or that people were black/more black or this or that people were white/more white
Black and white weren't even really considered in the ancient world.
But i watched gladiator 2 and denzel wasnt what they portrayed as the average looking person in that movie...
Posted on 7/4/25 at 7:59 am to RollTide1987
Probably depends. Upper or Lower Egypt?
Posted on 7/4/25 at 8:21 am to Corinthians420
One Egyptian? That settles it then. Discussion over
Posted on 7/4/25 at 9:07 am to idlewatcher
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What is Levantine?
Ovaltine’s third cousin on the mom’s side
All this time I thought they were twins. There is a strong family resemblance.
Posted on 7/4/25 at 9:12 am to RollTide1987
quote:That's funny to me personally. I often got into debates with a Brown professor that was completely infected with afrocentrism. I loaned her Not Out of Africa by Mary Lefkowitz and she never returned it or talked to me again. It must have got to her.
This study was led by Brown University
quote:Or ever.
Not in the Bronze Age
Posted on 7/4/25 at 9:50 am to RollTide1987
Was there
Posted on 7/4/25 at 10:13 am to HeadCall
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I thought this was already known
I did too. Carthage was essentially Phoenician, not Wakandan
Posted on 7/4/25 at 10:14 am to mytigger
Do I get to say it?
Posted on 7/4/25 at 10:16 am to RollTide1987
I don’t think anyone thought they were originally west African. I’ve always heard Lebanese (the ancient area thereof)
This post was edited on 7/4/25 at 10:17 am
Posted on 7/4/25 at 10:17 am to Corinthians420
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Corinthians420
I'm fascinated to know why this thread and the OP triggered you, if you don't mind sharing.
Posted on 7/4/25 at 10:18 am to HeadCall
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I thought this was already known
We’ve always known Carthage were Phoenicians. But we have to play these games because of bullshite like this:
Posted on 7/4/25 at 10:18 am to SlowFlowPro
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I think they're sequencing DNA stuff in the Americas from much older samples than that
They are. However, our climate makes it easier for DNA strands to survive such a long period. The dry, desert climate of Egypt causes DNA to deteriorate more rapidly.
Posted on 7/4/25 at 10:35 am to deltadummy
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No one thinks Hannibal looked like someone from the depths of the interior of Africa.
Afrocentrists and their allies in schools and media believe it. And many blacks Deeply believe that not only were Carthage, Egypt, and even Greece were black, but that theres been a massive, Millennium-long conspiracy by whites to erase the evidence of this. Afrocentrists tell their kids that Napoleon chopped off the Sphinx statues’ nose in Egypt to erase the evidence of Egyptian “blackness”. And then media and corporations pander to them:
Posted on 7/4/25 at 10:47 am to RollTide1987
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their DNA profile puts them closer to Sicilian/Aegean (Greek) in genetic make-up by the time of the Punic Wars between Ancient Rome and the Phoenicians. In short, Hannibal probably didn't look like Denzel Washington.
Yeah, no shite. Anyone who has read much about those times knew this already.
Posted on 7/4/25 at 11:21 am to DesScorp
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that Napoleon chopped off the Sphinx statues’ nose in Egypt to erase the evidence of Egyptian “blackness”.
Isn’t there some speculation that the current Sphinx head isn’t original?
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