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re: Storm Aftermath - Hurricane Matthew will be Retired

Posted on 9/28/16 at 9:21 am to
Posted by skinny domino
sebr
Member since Feb 2007
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Posted on 9/28/16 at 9:21 am to
Where's Peeej?
Posted by Palmetto08
Member since Sep 2012
4116 posts
Posted on 9/28/16 at 9:48 am to
What's the difference between computer models and ensemble models?

Why the disparity here? Thanks


Computer model:



Ensemble model:
Posted by msu202020
Member since Feb 2011
4308 posts
Posted on 9/28/16 at 9:50 am to
quote:

What's the difference between computer models and ensemble models?


That ensemble model is for the GFS only.

quote:

Why the disparity here?


There is no disparity.
Posted by Duke
Dillon, CO
Member since Jan 2008
36439 posts
Posted on 9/28/16 at 9:55 am to
Ensembles are slightly different scenarios ran that gives you a spread of possibilities from that model, in this case the GFS.
Posted by NorthEndZone
Member since Dec 2008
13710 posts
Posted on 9/28/16 at 10:21 am to
Bad for Jamaica...

Posted by Theboot32
Member since Jan 2016
2453 posts
Posted on 9/28/16 at 10:25 am to
Is there a chance this thing doesn't take that hard right and comes into gulf and could be a threat to us?
Posted by IT_Dawg
Georgia
Member since Oct 2012
26121 posts
Posted on 9/28/16 at 11:00 am to
quote:

Is there a chance this thing doesn't take that hard right and comes into gulf and could be a threat to us?



It's weather....there's always a chance. Same is there's a chance it doesn't become a hurricane and there's a chance it dicipates and becomes some light rain
Posted by ForeverLSU02
Albany
Member since Jun 2007
52493 posts
Posted on 9/28/16 at 11:00 am to
I hope not, but that's one crazy arse hook
Posted by CFDoc
Member since Jan 2013
2238 posts
Posted on 9/28/16 at 11:26 am to
If you look at the computer models image, you will see 5 different computer models listed: GFS, NGFDL, GFDL, XTRP, and HWRF.

HWRF and XTRP are null, so ignore them.

Different computer models are applying the governing equations for weather differently. The true governing equations for weather involve many, many mathematical terms and no model is capable of solving all of the terms together. Therefore, each of the computer models is showing solutions to the weather equations with different terms emphasized.

An ensemble model is picking one of the computer models (in this case GFS) and running it many times with different initial and boundary conditions for the mathematical terms (some people call this a Monte Carlo process).

You may notice the white line in the ensemble image is the same as the red line in the computer model image. All of the pink lines are variational simulations from the initial/boundary conditions that coincided with the white line. They do this to try and gauge the sensitivity of the computer model to the uncertainty in measurements, governing equations, the computer model itself, etc.

Right now, it looks like only the GFS model has the big hook in it. This thing could still very easily end up in the gulf.
This post was edited on 9/28/16 at 11:28 am
Posted by Pettifogger
I don't really care, Margaret
Member since Feb 2012
85751 posts
Posted on 9/28/16 at 11:31 am to
Great explanation.

Can someone direct me to a site where I can view the various ensembles?
Posted by ForeverLSU02
Albany
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Posted on 9/28/16 at 11:33 am to
Posted by rds dc
Member since Jun 2008
21000 posts
Posted on 9/28/16 at 11:55 am to
Decent eastward shift on the 12z GFS and the 00z Euro was east of the 12z from yesterday at D10. It will be interesting to see what the 12z Euro does today but the more easterly GFS may end up being right in the end.
Posted by Geecubed
The Eventual St. George
Member since Apr 2011
425 posts
Posted on 9/28/16 at 12:29 pm to
Where is the Euro on this Map?
This post was edited on 9/28/16 at 12:30 pm
Posted by tigerbutt
Deep South
Member since Jun 2006
26062 posts
Posted on 9/28/16 at 12:36 pm to
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looks like i'll wait another year to get my generator serviced
Posted by Dizz
Member since May 2008
15904 posts
Posted on 9/28/16 at 12:39 pm to
Of course I would be going to DC next week.
Posted by Methuselah
On da Riva
Member since Jan 2005
23350 posts
Posted on 9/28/16 at 12:45 pm to
So often these things veer north and then north east and often don't impact the US that I've kind of gotten used to anticipating that's what it will do.
Posted by rds dc
Member since Jun 2008
21000 posts
Posted on 9/28/16 at 2:11 pm to
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Those cutoff lows keep diving


This 12z Euro run has cutoffs everywhere! There is about a 48hr window after D7 where the system could either get turned back into the Gulf from east of Florida or go out to sea. Just crazy looking run beyond D5.
Posted by baytiger
Boston
Member since Dec 2007
46978 posts
Posted on 9/28/16 at 2:26 pm to
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This 12z Euro run has cutoffs everywhere!
a symptom of this crazy-arse meridional jet pattern we have right now. Making my job a nightmare
Posted by ForeverLSU02
Albany
Member since Jun 2007
52493 posts
Posted on 9/28/16 at 2:38 pm to
what do you do?
Posted by lsuman25
Erwinville
Member since Aug 2013
43091 posts
Posted on 9/28/16 at 2:39 pm to
gonna be a long week i suspect
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