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re: Spurs rookie Lonnie Walker: ‘Will never celebrate 4th of July. Know your history’
Posted on 7/5/18 at 4:14 pm to Scruffy
Posted on 7/5/18 at 4:14 pm to Scruffy
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There is absolutely a point. It is so you don’t repeat it.
That is all I have said. We should simply remember history, and not forget the negative parts of history simply because it was evil and paints a bad picture for our country's history.
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But using history to judge how you view the present serves no purpose
That is not what I am doing here.
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The USA is an amazing country to live in and the American Revolution represents the initiation of its creation.
The USA is an amazing country to live in. Let's not act like it has always been the amazing country that it is, ok?
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Posted on 7/5/18 at 4:17 pm to Scruffy
I really feel like my viewpoints easily get misconstrued sometimes. I say one thing contrary, and some posters automatically think I'm one of those militant BLM SJW types. 
Posted on 7/5/18 at 4:17 pm to QJenk
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That is why I celebrate the 4th. I am American, 100%. Just as much as anyone else here.
I just don't want to get to a point where we remember all the good things and simply forget all the bad. I want everything to be remembered for what it truly was. Not to place blame or to make anyone feel guilty. But I feel it is important to not overly romanticize things.
Certainly, it's your holiday. I honestly don't know why "That's my anthem" and "that's my flag" wouldn't be a stronger and more empowering message than all this Shaun King shite, but obviously I'm on the outside looking in.
Posted on 7/5/18 at 4:18 pm to QJenk
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Understand, that for black people. There was no independence on July 4, 1776. We were still enslaved.
I have no problem celebrating the 4th. But I also understand that at the time, I wouldn't have been doing any celebrating.
I think this is fair. Slavery started as soon as people started settling here.. In the 1600s.
The Declaration of Independence didn't apply to blacks, otherwise; slavery would not have been allowed. Then even after slaves were freed, black people didn't have the same opportunities.
Anyone who is not black... If you were black.. let's say in the 1960s, when the military started drafting people to fight in Vietnam. would you have been okay with going fight for a country that didn't treat you as an equal? I completely understand this post..
With that said, this country continues to evolve. As a result of slavery, there are still high levels of poverty and uneducation in black communities, but today everyone has the same opportunity to get an education and work their way out of poverty. And with had work and a goal, anyone can gain wealth.. And it is the Declaration of Independence that allows everyone to have the opportunity.
You can't forget history. It helps to understand the present, but on the 4th.. Celebrate the present.. Because today, we are all free.
Posted on 7/5/18 at 4:19 pm to QJenk
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I really feel like my viewpoints easily get misconstrued sometimes. I say one thing contrary, and some posters automatically think I'm one of those militant BLM SJW types.
don't hold it against us
we get overly excited when we have actual black people to argue with
Posted on 7/5/18 at 4:21 pm to QJenk
quote:No one is saying that that shouldn’t be recognized.
Let's not act like it has always been the amazing country that it is, ok?
The point being made is that celebrating the countries founding can be performed as a unique instance or view relative to the current social atmosphere.
The position held in the OP is that all progress should be disregarded and the only thing that matters is what happened in the past.
That stance is asinine.
It is possible to celebrate the country’s founding and strongly believing in its existence while being aware of the dark past that it has.
Those two topics aren’t mutually exclusive.
ETA: We may actually be in full agreement.
This post was edited on 7/5/18 at 4:22 pm
Posted on 7/5/18 at 4:21 pm to spaceranger
From the tweet and picture, I can put 2 and 2 together and say that Lonnie Walker is an attention whore.
This post was edited on 7/5/18 at 4:22 pm
Posted on 7/5/18 at 4:23 pm to Pettifogger
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don't hold it against us
we get overly excited when we have actual black people to argue with
Hell I'm impressed this thread has stayed relatively civil. It would be a complete shite-show on the poliboard by now.
Posted on 7/5/18 at 4:24 pm to Pettifogger
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Obviously I don't object to Juneteenth, but black Americans are Americans, and the 4th celebrates America (including them).
I agree with you. It's just a manner of looking at it from a black person's perspective as well. In one way its like being forced to the party and having to endure this and that for years until it was "okay" to be at the party. And even then, being sent back "home" after X amount of years to a culture and a country you know nothing about.
On the other hand, one way i see it, its celebrating the birth of this nation. One that is better than the others throughout this world with liberties that other people and countries do not have.
Of course i can only speak from my history and what i know and the time i live in today. Some will hold the past over their head and carry it to the future and into anything and everything. But i believe its best to at least know "your" whys and whens in history and take from it what you can.
Posted on 7/5/18 at 4:29 pm to Centinel
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Hell I'm impressed this thread has stayed relatively civil. It would be a complete shite-show on the poliboard by now.
I think this is what's called "start a conversation".
Posted on 7/5/18 at 4:29 pm to Centinel
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But can you see why his feelings are rather hypocritical? Here he is, able to achieve the goal of playing in the NBA, with a salary most americans can only dream about... Yet he doesn't feel the anniversary of the founding of the one nation that gave him those opportunities should be celebrated.
I definitely see it. How he views it is a bit "deeper" (lack of better terms) than what maybe the next guy would see it. It's like we know the history of the time and at that time it was different for my race. However, 300+ years later, we live in a different time frame. Its just like with anything, some people will see things as extremes whereas other of that same race or culture are more practical.
Posted on 7/5/18 at 4:31 pm to FieldMink
quote:Like Scruffy said in a previous post, you cannot view the past based on modern times, nor can you view the present based on the past.
I definitely see it. How he views it is a bit "deeper" (lack of better terms) than what maybe the next guy would see it. It's like we know the history of the time and at that time it was different for my race. However, 300+ years later, we live in a different time frame. Its just like with anything, some people will see things as extremes whereas other of that same race or culture are more practical.
This post was edited on 7/5/18 at 4:36 pm
Posted on 7/5/18 at 4:31 pm to FieldMink
We all should thank whatever higher power you may believe in for the sacrifices of our forefathers for the blessings we have today.
Posted on 7/5/18 at 4:34 pm to OweO
go figure.
Posted on 7/5/18 at 4:45 pm to QJenk
So... Black people shouldn't celebrate Independence Day because it didn't benefit them at the time. Got it.
My family immigrated from Germany in the late 1800s. Should I not celebrate Independence Day? I mean, it didn't benefit my German ancestors living in Bavaria back in 1776.
My family immigrated from Germany in the late 1800s. Should I not celebrate Independence Day? I mean, it didn't benefit my German ancestors living in Bavaria back in 1776.
Posted on 7/5/18 at 4:48 pm to BowDownToLSU
Pay him in whatever they use for currency in Nigeria then.
Posted on 7/5/18 at 4:49 pm to LoveThatMoney
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My family immigrated from Germany in the late 1800s. Should I not celebrate Independence Day?
Posted on 7/5/18 at 4:51 pm to QJenk
You obviously were not enslaved and now enjoy more benefits in this country than most.Slaves came to this country from all over the world not just Africa but it seems only certain ones refuse to get past something that happened 200 years ago.Race relation will never get better in this country because of this.
Posted on 7/5/18 at 4:54 pm to BowDownToLSU
I guess he won't be voting Democratic, either.
Posted on 7/5/18 at 4:59 pm to Scruffy
I think we agree more than we realize, Scruffy.
In reality, I probably disagree alot with where the guy in the OP is coming from. I don't know the guy. He might be one of those crazy types.
In reality, I know a few people who don't necessarily celebrate the 4th. They dont hate the country, and never talk bad about the country or anyone else who do celebrate. But they treat it as just another day. Ie go to work, or if they have the day off just chill at home and do whatever. I don't necessarily have a negative opinion of people who do that.
I do however have a negative opinion of folks who are on their high horse and act like everyone who disagrees with them are racists.
In reality, I probably disagree alot with where the guy in the OP is coming from. I don't know the guy. He might be one of those crazy types.
In reality, I know a few people who don't necessarily celebrate the 4th. They dont hate the country, and never talk bad about the country or anyone else who do celebrate. But they treat it as just another day. Ie go to work, or if they have the day off just chill at home and do whatever. I don't necessarily have a negative opinion of people who do that.
I do however have a negative opinion of folks who are on their high horse and act like everyone who disagrees with them are racists.
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