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re: Solar at an Arkansas high school turns budget from a $250K deficit to $1.8M surplus

Posted on 3/23/26 at 9:03 am to
Posted by Proximo
Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 3/23/26 at 9:03 am to
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in this case, metal walkway covers.

this project took up about a football field of space

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Batesville consolidated buildings and campuses to reduce their overall footprint. Then, the district partnered with Entegrity to conduct a district-wide energy investigation, revealing opportunities to reduce electric energy costs by 40% and generate $2.4 million in energy savings. The upgrades included updating lighting, thermostats, windows, HVAC, water fixtures, and, most notably, installing solar


Closed buildings and did a bunch of other upgrades also
This post was edited on 3/23/26 at 9:05 am
Posted by billjamin
Houston
Member since Jun 2019
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Posted on 3/23/26 at 10:23 am to
That math ain't mathing. I'm sure they saved some money but no way it was that much without some funky accounting.
Posted by The Boat
Member since Oct 2008
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Posted on 3/23/26 at 10:25 am to
Yeah, I believe the guy with his retard climate hashtags. No agenda
Posted by billjamin
Houston
Member since Jun 2019
18082 posts
Posted on 3/23/26 at 10:44 am to
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Yeah my son in law got duped by one of these installer ads a few years ago and it's been nothing but problems AND a net money drain. First they installed it wrong where it was only using half of the panels, then it took them forever to come out and try to fix their eff up, and then he realized it still wasn't generating enough electricity to pay for itself. And the poor sap is on the hook for 20 years while the company filed bankruptcy. Thank goodness I kept dragging my feet on letting any of them pitch my wife and I.

Give me some details on this and i might be able to help out. The equipment warranties survive the installer or financier going BK. And if he financed there still might be a warranty from the JV that owns the asset.
Posted by Gorilla Ball
Az via La
Member since Feb 2006
13259 posts
Posted on 3/23/26 at 10:44 am to
We moved to Az from La and the house we purchased had solar panels that the owner had installed and purchased vs leasing them.
Our electric bill went from $500 a month to zero. We got a small refund of about $100 from the electric company at the end of the year for the months we had the solar panels.
Posted by junkfunky
Member since Jan 2011
36335 posts
Posted on 3/23/26 at 10:45 am to
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This is going to trigger tOT.


This type of usage is what most of the tOT want
This post was edited on 3/23/26 at 7:05 pm
Posted by Gorilla Ball
Az via La
Member since Feb 2006
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Posted on 3/23/26 at 10:46 am to
Why didn’t he purchase them vs leasing them ?
Posted by billjamin
Houston
Member since Jun 2019
18082 posts
Posted on 3/23/26 at 10:51 am to
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Why didn’t he purchase them vs leasing them ?

Pre OBB people usually leased vs purchase or loan because they couldn't take advantage of the entire tax credit.
Post OBB people will lease because the tax credits only exist in the commercial tax code as of 1/1/26 so the only want to monetize the credit is to lease.
This post was edited on 3/23/26 at 10:52 am
Posted by The Torch
DFW The Dub
Member since Aug 2014
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Posted on 3/23/26 at 10:54 am to
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Solar at an Arkansas high school turns budget from a $250K deficit to $1.8M surplus


Democrat headline, all bullshite.

Posted by dallastigers
Member since Dec 2003
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Posted on 3/23/26 at 10:59 am to
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They're using the surplus to pay teachers more


I don’t know anything about the district (or accuracy of claim), but why not use some to increase the number of teachers or use for some improved resources for students and teachers. Just giving teachers pay raises doesn’t automatically equate to improving the quality of education the students are receiving.
Posted by MMauler
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Member since Jun 2013
24487 posts
Posted on 3/23/26 at 11:00 am to
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This is probably along the lines of how the wife will calculate a returned article of clothing into "income".



This may be one of the best ideas I’ve heard in a long time. It would not only help with energy consumption and electricity cost, but it would also help with the childhood obesity problem. Win-win!
Posted by Tarps99
Lafourche Parish
Member since Apr 2017
12721 posts
Posted on 3/23/26 at 11:02 am to
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Entegrity


Must have hired the same people that came up with Entergy when Middle State Utilities wanted a common name for AP&L, LP&L MP&L, and NOPSI and later Gulf States Utilities.
Posted by Shexter
Prairieville
Member since Feb 2014
20822 posts
Posted on 3/23/26 at 11:02 am to
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1,483 solar panels


Wonder what the cost + installation was for all of that.
Posted by MMauler
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Member since Jun 2013
24487 posts
Posted on 3/23/26 at 11:03 am to
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I don’t know anything about the district (or accuracy of claim), but why not use some to increase the number of teachers or use for some improved resources for students and teachers



Or, even better, how about reducing the property taxes on the people who’are paying for this f*cking garbage they produce.
Posted by billjamin
Houston
Member since Jun 2019
18082 posts
Posted on 3/23/26 at 11:07 am to
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Wonder what the cost + installation was for all of that.

Assuming they used a 400W class module it would be able 1.2-1.5MM.
Posted by Defenseiskey
Houston, TX
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 3/23/26 at 11:39 am to
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Trigger the OT


Solar, Electric Vehicles, and Remote Work
Posted by Hangover Haven
Metry
Member since Oct 2013
33682 posts
Posted on 3/23/26 at 11:45 am to
Wasn't watching the entire video, did they say what was the original cost to set all of that up?
This post was edited on 3/23/26 at 11:48 am
Posted by billjamin
Houston
Member since Jun 2019
18082 posts
Posted on 3/23/26 at 12:42 pm to
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did they say what was the original cost to set all of that up?

No but my best guess is 1.2-1.5MM.

But i highly doubt they actually bought them. They probably have a lease or PPA. It wouldn't make sense for a school to buy solar since there's no tax liability to use for the ITC. Unless they just did a credit transfer.
This post was edited on 3/23/26 at 12:43 pm
Posted by N2cars
Member since Feb 2008
39654 posts
Posted on 3/23/26 at 12:56 pm to
SSI says "hold my beer".
Posted by Street Hawk
Member since Nov 2014
3644 posts
Posted on 3/23/26 at 1:43 pm to
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This happened over 4 years ago and has been proven those calculations were false. The best they could come up with was an 800k surplus over 3 years and that was also highly debated as probably being much lower. Even reddit idiots questioned if all this was 100% true which it turned out to not be.

If It's that successful you would think everyone would be going to solar instalation by now.


Grok's fact check of your post:

The skeptical response is partially based on real online debates but overstates them into a full debunking that doesn't hold up. No official audit, retraction, or proof has "proven the calculations false," and the core story from the district and independent sources remains intact.

Here's a clear breakdown:

Timeline and "over 4 years ago"

The project launched around 2017–2019 (solar array plus efficiency upgrades). The main reporting came in 2020 from the Energy News Network. The story has been recirculated recently (including 2025–2026 articles), and benefits like teacher pay improvements and ongoing energy savings continue. It's not ancient history that's been quietly disproven.

The $1.8M surplus claim

This comes directly from the district and the original 2020 reporting:
- Pre-project: ~$250,000 annual budget deficit and >$600,000 yearly utility bills.
- Post-project (solar + LED lighting, insulation, HVAC/windows upgrades, water efficiency): Reduced energy use by 1.6 million kWh/year. Utilities dropped sharply (some quotes note monthly bills falling dramatically).
- Result: Turned the deficit into a $1.8 million surplus within three years (cumulative turnaround, explicitly including "other strategic cost reductions" beyond just solar). - canarymedia.com

The $1.8M figure is repeated consistently by the district's partners (Generation 180), superintendent Michael Hester, and outlets like CBS News. Long-term projection: net savings >$4 million over 20 years. - generation180.org

No official source (district financials, audits, or updates through 2025) has revised this downward to "$800k" or lower. The ~700–800k number appears to originate from a 2021 Reddit thread in r/theydidthemath, where one user tried reverse-engineering the math and got a lower figure—likely by:
- Assuming solar alone (it wasn't; efficiency measures contributed significantly).
- Ignoring cumulative effects (avoided deficits + selling excess power later).
- Not factoring the full accounting of the bond-financed project. - reddit.com

Online comments (Reddit, Facebook, YouTube, LinkedIn) have debated the math since ~2021, with some calling it exaggerated or impossible at face value. But this is user speculation, not "proof" or an official finding. The district and superintendent have stood by the numbers in interviews as recently as 2023 (e.g., Harvard Graduate School of Education podcast confirming substantial salary base increases).

Teacher raises

Original accurate reporting (2020): Raises averaging $2,000–$3,000/year, up to $9,000 for some long-time staff—enough to make Batesville the highest-paying district in its county and improve retention. -generation180.org

Viral versions (including some recent posts) inflated this to "$15,000 raises for every teacher." The superintendent later confirmed a ~$10,000 base salary increase over four years (from ~$31k to $41k). Some bonuses or larger bumps occurred, but the $15k "every teacher" claim is an exaggeration that fueled skepticism. The raises were real and tied to the savings.

"Reddit questioned it and it turned out not to be 100% true"

Yes, Reddit threads (r/theydidthemath, r/UpliftingNews, etc.) and comment sections did question the viral math—especially when posts omitted efficiency upgrades, the bond financing (~$5.4M upfront cost), or the multi-year cumulative nature. Some users called parts "half-truths." - youtube.com

However, it did not "turn out" to be fabricated. The district's own site, Generation 180, Entegrity (the energy auditor), and the superintendent have consistently affirmed the outcomes. No investigation, audit exposure, or district correction has emerged in 6+ years of coverage. The "not 100% true" part applies mainly to overhyped social media versions (solar-only magic, instant massive raises for all), not the underlying project success.

"If it's that successful, everyone would be doing solar by now"

This is a common gotcha, but adoption has grown substantially:
- U.S. school solar capacity has surged (thousands of districts now have it, often via no-upfront-cost power purchase agreements).
- Batesville inspired at least 20 nearby districts.
- Barriers explain why it's not universal: upfront capital (Batesville used a bond; many states now enable easier financing), local electricity rates, pre-2019 regulations in Arkansas, awareness, and varying incentives. Success stories like this are precisely why more schools are moving to solar today.

Bottom line

The original tweet's claims are substantially accurate per the district, energy auditors, and multiple independent reports—solar + efficiency upgrades delivered real savings that funded teacher raises and flipped the budget. The skeptic's response amplifies legitimate online math skepticism (mostly from 2021 Reddit/Facebook comments) but falsely presents it as an official debunking with a proven lower "$800k" figure. No such proof exists. Viral exaggerations made it an easy target, but the project's success checks out and continues to be cited positively years later.
This post was edited on 3/23/26 at 2:27 pm
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