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re: Societal shift of the past 60 years
Posted on 9/13/19 at 6:37 pm to genuineLSUtiger
Posted on 9/13/19 at 6:37 pm to genuineLSUtiger
Oh well.
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Posted on 9/13/19 at 6:38 pm to soccerfüt
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June Cleaver?
I’d be hard on her beaver back in the 50s.
Posted on 9/13/19 at 7:51 pm to The Spleen
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Thinking a TV show was a reflection of reality is insane. There was tons of infidelity, alcohol abuse, spousal abuse, etc. going on back then.
Leave it to Beaver. Ozzie and Harriet. Maybe they were a hopeful reflection of an ideal or a goal. For some decades now the alcoholism, abuse, and infidelity you claim as prevalent in the 50's have been shown as the reality to slap us to our senses and to drop the foolish idealism. Today I believe a television program or movie showing a "traditional" family that's not fatally dysfunctional has less than a snowball's chance of being produced.
You don't have to worry and throw any more dirt in that grave. It's been dead, buried, and given up on for a while now. Statistics, programming, and reality are in sync.
What's is the new, improved model by the way? Is it working?
This post was edited on 9/13/19 at 9:07 pm
Posted on 9/13/19 at 7:53 pm to TopFlightSecurity
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Baby boomers destroyed the fabric of society.
Be quiet. The adults are trying to have a conversation here.
This post was edited on 9/13/19 at 8:37 pm
Posted on 9/13/19 at 8:36 pm to RidiculousHype
Go to bed old man
Posted on 9/13/19 at 9:50 pm to Tiger1242
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I agree with the premise that family values in many communities has changed greatly since the 50’s.
I disagree with the premise that what were considered family values in the 50’s were considered family values for the past several thousand years
I hear you.. I guess my only thing is if you could take someone from Ancient Greece or Ancient Egypt or the Middle Ages or the Renaissance, and transport them through time and have them watch 1950s American society... once they got over the shock of the technology, the family dynamics would be instantly familiar to them.
Obviously I’m speaking in generalities here, and there are exceptions.
Posted on 9/13/19 at 9:53 pm to Sayre
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You mean the kids took their beatings in silence?
Uh, no. That’s not what I said at all
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You fricking luddites are the worst.
Posted on 9/13/19 at 10:00 pm to RidiculousHype
Y’all do realize the Family Guy is still a show that has the mom and dad playing traditional roles. Peter still goes to work and Lois stays home.
Posted on 9/13/19 at 10:35 pm to notiger1997
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Lot's of men back in that day were lazy asses when it came time to help with anything involving the kids and the housework. And if the wife didn't like it she would get her arse beat and nobody would care.
You were raised by a mom who was crazier than a shithouse rat, weren't you?
You might think that's what life was like in the 60's, but it wasn't, not even in rural Evangeline Parish.
Posted on 9/13/19 at 10:39 pm to LongueCarabine
quote:A question I've pondered for years:
You were raised by a mom who was crazier than a shithouse rat, weren't you?
Precisely how crazy are shithouse rats?
Posted on 9/13/19 at 10:40 pm to Kafka
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Precisely how crazy are shithouse rats?
Shitzophrenic
Posted on 9/13/19 at 11:09 pm to RidiculousHype
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humanity has seen technological breakthroughs before. Through it all, the role of the father, mother, and children didn’t really change. Our DNA is the same. So what’s changed?
The game changer was the Industrial Revolution. Greater access to resources allowed a rise in the standard of living. This promoted technological progress which promoted access to even greater use of resources and standard of living, so on so forth.
We're enjoying technological breakthroughs at a faster rate. It is true, we seem to have more jackasses than ever before (it could just be me getting old). However, fortunately, technological advancement doesn't require everyone to be smart. As long as our nerds don't turn into retards, we'll be alright and maintain our technological ascent.
Posted on 9/14/19 at 5:19 am to northshorebamaman
When an old quote, especially an ancient one, seems dead-on for the 21st century it usually is fake. While the Socrates quote has been perpetuated all my life there is no proof that it is accurate and unless the language is highly "polished" it is clear he never said it.
Plato had some interesting things to say about the "youth of the day" in The Republic but nothing nearly as pithy or on the nose as the faux Socrates quote. None of this means "adults" have not been complaining about the youth of the day for centuries, probably since man's sole form of verbal expression was a variety of grunts.
Plato had some interesting things to say about the "youth of the day" in The Republic but nothing nearly as pithy or on the nose as the faux Socrates quote. None of this means "adults" have not been complaining about the youth of the day for centuries, probably since man's sole form of verbal expression was a variety of grunts.
Posted on 9/14/19 at 6:10 am to victoire sécurisé
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was never in our DNA. It was never nature’s law. There is no natural order being violated.
Posted on 9/14/19 at 6:24 am to RidiculousHype
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This post was edited on 6/14/20 at 10:49 pm
Posted on 9/14/19 at 8:20 am to victoire sécurisé
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. It was never in our DNA. It was never nature’s law.
Men as hunters and protectors/Women as child nurturers is definitely - without any scientific doubt - in our DNA.
Posted on 9/14/19 at 8:39 am to RidiculousHype
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That "traditional" family dynamic seems compatible with nature and biology.
It may for women but not men. It makes sense for a woman to tie up one man and lock in his resources all for herself. She can’t have anymore kids with one man than a thousand and she wants all of a man’s attention in providing for the kid. It makes zero sense (biologically speaking) for a physically attractive man with vast resources to spend it all on one woman who can only provide him with a child only about once a year. Hell, Brad Pitt could knock up 30 women in a week, give them all a big check to go away and raise the kids on their own, and do better than Jessica Alba could if she stayed pregnant pretty much all her life.
It’s no secret why women are a lot more marriage minded than men. It fits their biology a lot better and divorce / child support / alimony laws seems to make it even more favorable for them.
Posted on 9/14/19 at 10:30 am to RougeDawg
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Good times create weak men.
This.
My grandfather grew up during the Depression, enlisted shortly after Pearl Harbor, and fought in WWII. He'd experienced and endured more by the age of 23 than most do in two lifetimes.
Conversely, my dad has less toughness than my 7 year old, possesses a Peter Pan complex, is probably the most self-centered person I know, is always on the hunt for something (or some woman) to make him happy, and left us when I was 5 and has had little to do with us since. Basically, he was softened by easy living and knew at an early age that he would never measure up to daddy, so he has been in midlife crisis mode since he was in his mid 30s.
Posted on 9/14/19 at 10:32 am to Feral
Or maybe it could be that your grandfather was a pretty shitty dad.
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