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re: Simple question for anyone complaining about the situation in Texas
Posted on 2/18/21 at 6:54 pm to WaWaWeeWa
Posted on 2/18/21 at 6:54 pm to WaWaWeeWa
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Did you “winterize” your home?
Yes
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Did you buy a generator, a kerosene space heater, stock firewood and water in preparation for the winter?
Bought the generator years ago but I do check it before winter to make sure.
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Even if the power plants could keep up, a limb could take out your power line and leave you without power
True. Which is why I have a generator and a years worth of firewood out back.
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Why are you blaming a power company (wether renewable or fossil fuel) for making the same judgement call?
For not being able to handle weather that a large portion of the country handles just fine every year?
Posted on 2/18/21 at 6:55 pm to Penrod
No its not Monday morning Qbing and people would not have been pissed at a slight increase. Again, we had blackouts in in 1989 and 2011. Power companies were told for decades it would be worse next time b/c of how rapidly our population has been growing. We've gone from 16.9 million in 1989 to 25.6 million in 2011 to 29.8 million in 2021. They knew we'd be fricked if we hit another deep freeze, they knew we get them every so often, and they knew what they needed to do to avoid it. They didn't fix it b/c they didn't want to cut into profits. They've been told for decades they needed to upgrade and they refused. Defending them for being negligent is insane.
This post was edited on 2/18/21 at 7:12 pm
Posted on 2/18/21 at 7:00 pm to Penrod
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Do YOU think the power company could have prepared with the same short notice? Of course not. Both the power company and the consumers have known a brutal cold was possible since they were capable of rational thought.
The worst recorded snowstorm on record, when the last worst one did not happen in the last five-ten years, and your summer was one of the hottest on record. In the middle of global warming.
Posted on 2/18/21 at 7:00 pm to TexasTiger90
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How do you prepare for your pipes bursting and flooding your house in the deadass middle of a brutal winter storm that's totally uncharacteristic of the location you live in?
There have been many winters in TX and LA that have had several days of sustained temperatures below freezing where people who had prepared didn’t have pipes freeze.
Posted on 2/18/21 at 7:06 pm to WaWaWeeWa
I get that a energy company wasn’t prepared in a extreme circumstance that happens every 10 or so years at best. They don’t want to shell out the capital to properly protect their process in the event of extreme cold because it’s cheaper to just deal with it when it happens. Typical business decision that is common across the board. Companies are in the business of keeping costs low to keep profits high. Unfortunately this scenario affects humans left in freezing temps with no heating which is a bigger deal then someone ordering a burger and fries and getting them served cold or undercooked
This post was edited on 2/18/21 at 7:08 pm
Posted on 2/18/21 at 7:08 pm to WaWaWeeWa
I haven't read every single thread today, but so far, you're in the lead for the most pathetic LOOK AT ME post.
EVERYONE LOOK AT ME!!! I'M SO SMART! STOP WORRYING ABOUT YOUR POWER AND WATER AND FOOD, AND LOOK AT MEEEEEEEEE!!!!
What a bitchy little count you are.
EVERYONE LOOK AT ME!!! I'M SO SMART! STOP WORRYING ABOUT YOUR POWER AND WATER AND FOOD, AND LOOK AT MEEEEEEEEE!!!!
What a bitchy little count you are.
This post was edited on 2/18/21 at 7:09 pm
Posted on 2/18/21 at 7:58 pm to WaWaWeeWa
No response for me? I’ll wait
Posted on 2/18/21 at 8:01 pm to 9Fiddy
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it won't make a difference. They'll still look for anyone to blame but themselves.
Don’t talk like that.
Posted on 2/18/21 at 8:08 pm to Klark Kent
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No response for me? I’ll wait
What are you waiting for? I’m not running from any questions.
Posted on 2/18/21 at 8:36 pm to WaWaWeeWa
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If someone can show me evidence of the power companies cutting corners resulting in a disaster I’ll get on board. Otherwise, I wouldn’t expect them to be prepared for this level of storm.
I could show you multiple examples but I’m not going to doxx myself on TD.
I’ll say this - it’s become clear to me that 90+% of TD posters don’t even understand what “winterization” means in an industrial context, much less have any concept of what it costs or how difficult it is.
Every power plant, chemical plant, and refinery takes steps to prevent instrument lines from freezing, which is the #1 cause of unexpected shutdowns in cold weather. This is not rocket science, and it’s not some massive overhaul that has to happen. Most plants in South Louisiana are designed for ambient temps down to 10-20 F. North Texas designs could anywhere from 0-10 F depending on the company and the exact location.
The difference is that power plants, in general, do a fricking terrible job of maintaining any equipment unless either a) it directly produces revenue or b) the regulators will shut them down if it doesn’t work.
Power plants are willing to roll the dice because the lost revenue from these types of outages in the past doesn’t justify the cost of continuous upkeep, and whatever fines they’ve received from the regulators haven’t moved the needle either. Make no mistake - this is not a new issue for power plants. It’s just that it snowballed this time instead of being a few isolated incidents.
So ultimately, your entire argument is analogous to this:
“Did you build your house on 15 foot tall piers? No? Then why would you expect the levee to hold 15 feet of water? Never mind the fact that the levee has been there for 75 years and the public just wasn’t aware of how badly it had been neglected.”
Posted on 2/18/21 at 8:38 pm to WaWaWeeWa
I have lived in Texas off and on for over 26 years. The last time it got this cold or at least it got cold and the power went off was an ice storm in 1997. I was living in a small town in East Texas and got through the cold night with firewood. Never thought I would have to worry about this in the metropolitan area of Houston.
Also it is not just individuals that are unprepared. I heard a stat that over 500 Walmarts and over 1000 CVC/Walgreens are closed in Texas because of the cold issues. My son's university is using shuttle vans as warming stations for students without heat.
Also it is not just individuals that are unprepared. I heard a stat that over 500 Walmarts and over 1000 CVC/Walgreens are closed in Texas because of the cold issues. My son's university is using shuttle vans as warming stations for students without heat.
Posted on 2/18/21 at 8:45 pm to WaWaWeeWa
Then respond to my post. Tell me where I went wrong in my planning and thought process behind it. Come on.
Context: I’ve been slightly busy in the last 6 weeks with a sick newborn. But before that, I wasn’t busy at all preparing for my first child and trying to keep my pregnant wife safe from COVID-19. But please inform me how I should better prepare for a week long artic shite show in Houston, TX. Also, how long have you lived here in South Texas?
More context. Consider this before responding. As a father to a sick newborn dealing with a freak weather incident: if it meant sparing my wife one tear or my son a moment of peace, I would walk across the street, drag you out of your well prepared home, and beat you to death with my bare hands for them. So please, coach me on how I should’ve prepared more.
Context: I’ve been slightly busy in the last 6 weeks with a sick newborn. But before that, I wasn’t busy at all preparing for my first child and trying to keep my pregnant wife safe from COVID-19. But please inform me how I should better prepare for a week long artic shite show in Houston, TX. Also, how long have you lived here in South Texas?
More context. Consider this before responding. As a father to a sick newborn dealing with a freak weather incident: if it meant sparing my wife one tear or my son a moment of peace, I would walk across the street, drag you out of your well prepared home, and beat you to death with my bare hands for them. So please, coach me on how I should’ve prepared more.
This post was edited on 2/18/21 at 8:58 pm
Posted on 2/18/21 at 8:51 pm to WaWaWeeWa
I live in Tyler and drive north to Quitman 3 days/week. It’s cold as balls and pipes are beginning to thaw and water pressure improves each day. By Saturday all should be good.
Posted on 2/18/21 at 8:57 pm to Klark Kent
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Then respond to my post. Tell me where I went wrong in my planning and thought process behind it. Come on.
Y’all aren’t reading what I’m writing, just responding to something you think I’m saying.
I didn’t expect you to prepared. I wouldn’t have been prepared. That’s why I wouldn’t be complaining that the power company wasn’t prepared.
Some events aren’t preventable or economically feasible to try to prevent.
Posted on 2/18/21 at 9:02 pm to WaWaWeeWa
I’m guessing you peaked mentally and emotionally in high school. Your mother’s or grandmother’s boyfriends always in and out of your life growing up. Probably have stickers all over the back window of your early 2000s Ford. Highlight of the wk is happy hour at Chili’s on Friday. That type.
A sad existence.
A sad existence.
Posted on 2/18/21 at 9:03 pm to Hou_Lawyer
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Highlight of the wk is happy hour at Chili’s on Friday.
Posted on 2/18/21 at 9:05 pm to WaWaWeeWa
Run along with your tail between your legs
Posted on 2/18/21 at 9:14 pm to Klark Kent
I’m not going anywhere. I answered your question. Do you have anymore?
Let me just get this straight though. You think I’m the bad guy because I don’t necessarily think the power companies are at fault until I see some evidence that they screwed up something that was avoidable?
I’m not just going to buy the talking point that a free unrestricted energy market is the reason this happened.
Let me just get this straight though. You think I’m the bad guy because I don’t necessarily think the power companies are at fault until I see some evidence that they screwed up something that was avoidable?
I’m not just going to buy the talking point that a free unrestricted energy market is the reason this happened.
This post was edited on 2/18/21 at 9:17 pm
Posted on 2/18/21 at 9:32 pm to EA6B
Ok Mr Wizard please explain the complexity of the supply chain shortage of natural gas in a state where it is abundant.
If the generation plants were fully operational, why is ERCOT saying that the plants were down due to the winter storm?
Please elaborate how some places went 72+ Hours without power while others never lost power during “rolling blackouts”
If the generation plants were fully operational, why is ERCOT saying that the plants were down due to the winter storm?
Please elaborate how some places went 72+ Hours without power while others never lost power during “rolling blackouts”
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