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re: Self defense or manslaughter. Video of shooting after road rage incident
Posted on 9/9/16 at 3:28 pm to rondo
Posted on 9/9/16 at 3:28 pm to rondo
quote:
there is absolutely no way to argue the kill shot was necessary
Was the shooter still on his feet when the last shot was administered? Yes
Had the attacker dropped his weapon when the last shot was administered? It's impossible to tell from what I can see of the video.
So what you've got is a crazed attacker, still on his feet and possibly still armed, even after being shot twice.
Should the man being attacked stop defending himself at that point and possibly give his attacker the chance to gather himself and turn again for another attack?
This post was edited on 9/9/16 at 4:06 pm
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Posted on 9/9/16 at 3:28 pm to Charlie Arglist
quote:How so?
Subsequent shots will get you convicted
There was a dude in between the shooter and the guy hunched over, so the shooter didn't have a great view of the guy.
A crazy guy swinging a bat at you could easily also have a concealed weapon, and with the obstructed view, you don't see him pull it out, and he shoots you. That's a plausible scenario, and the shooter had every right IMO to make sure that didn't happen.
Posted on 9/9/16 at 3:29 pm to rondo
quote:You can't guarantee he still couldn't fight at that point, not based on the video in the OP.
there is absolutely no way to argue the kill shot was necessary
Posted on 9/9/16 at 3:30 pm to The Torch
I would like to know where this happened, but it looks justified to me and I have investigated self defense shootings. The guy that got between the gun and the attacker isn't very bright. The shooter will be thankful for the video because that witness's account will differ from the video footage, I guarantee. With just the witness account he could have problems. Seeing the footage, I don't even arrest. That decision would be for a grand jury.
This post was edited on 9/9/16 at 3:31 pm
Posted on 9/9/16 at 3:32 pm to Cracker
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nope LINK
whole story here
I had a feeling this didnt happen in the US, thanks for the link
Posted on 9/9/16 at 3:40 pm to GoHoGsGo06
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I'd rather not leave the "who instigated this" up to a jury.
I'd rather not test how well my skull holds up to being repeatedly hit with a pipe.
Posted on 9/9/16 at 3:42 pm to tgrbaitn08
quote:
I had a feeling this didnt happen in the US, thanks for the link
Holy hell. These people are freaking stupid. From the article....
quote:
The presiding judge also stated that the current evidence reasonably discredits the claim that Amar acted in self defense. "In order to constitute self defense, several parameters must exist." said the judge. "These are mortal danger, (no) escape route and the immediacy of the event. We can already conclude that some of these did not occur."
So a guy beating your car with a pipe then opening your door to come at you with said pipe is not mortal danger? And what escape route did he have? He was blocked in with nowhere to go. And seeing how the guy with the pipe was about two seconds from pulling him out of the car to beat him to death, I'd say there very much was an "immediacy of the event".
And this from one of the dead guy's relatives....
quote:
A second relative of Labouani rejected the claim that Amar acted out of self defense. "I don't believe it. This was murder. He could have shot him in the foot, but instead he shot him several times until he died."
Do they honestly expect this guy to take time to aim for his attacker's foot? And what happens when instead of stopping the attack, getting shot in the foot just enrages him even more?
fricking idiots.
Posted on 9/9/16 at 3:44 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
Looks to me that the shooter done that before.
Posted on 9/9/16 at 3:46 pm to fishfighter
quote:
Looks to me that the shooter done that before.
How is that relevant to this incident?
Posted on 9/9/16 at 3:47 pm to Darth_Vader
Posted on 9/9/16 at 3:47 pm to fishfighter
quote:
Looks to me that the shooter done that before.
Maybe, or maybe he's simply prepared for it. Even more incentive not to go after him armed with a pipe.
Posted on 9/9/16 at 3:51 pm to tgrbaitn08
quote:
Do you happen to know where this happened and when?
It's also on LiveLeak. Apparently the shooter is the mayor of a city (but it sounds like a foreign city) Jumail or something.
Posted on 9/9/16 at 3:53 pm to Cracker
quote:
The presiding judge also stated that the current evidence reasonably discredits the claim that Amar acted in self defense. "In order to constitute self defense, several parameters must exist." said the judge. "These are mortal danger, (no) escape route and the immediacy of the event. We can already conclude that some of these did not occur."
lol wut
quote:
A second relative of Labouani rejected the claim that Amar acted out of self defense. "I don't believe it. This was murder. He could have shot him in the foot, but instead he shot him several times until he died." He expressed hope that Amar will be punished for his actions.
people are stupid as hell
This post was edited on 9/9/16 at 3:55 pm
Posted on 9/9/16 at 3:57 pm to Darth_Vader
quote:I was just going to quote that same exact line. What the heck is the judge talking about?
So a guy beating your car with a pipe then opening your door to come at you with said pipe is not mortal danger? And what escape route did he have? He was blocked in with nowhere to go. And seeing how the guy with the pipe was about two seconds from pulling him out of the car to beat him to death, I'd say there very much was an "immediacy of the event".
Posted on 9/9/16 at 3:57 pm to 7thWardTiger
That last shot is going to give him a prison term. *
Also, what the hell was with that random wrestling for the gun. What a fricking idiot.
*I totally thought it was America, I have no idea how different countries handle that stuff.
Also, what the hell was with that random wrestling for the gun. What a fricking idiot.
*I totally thought it was America, I have no idea how different countries handle that stuff.
This post was edited on 9/9/16 at 4:00 pm
Posted on 9/9/16 at 3:59 pm to Darth_Vader
Center mass. Never, ever, ever aim for an appendage. You don't shoot unless you pull that trigger to kill.
It blows my mind people don't understand these basic gun rules (not you, just commenting on the quote you said)
It blows my mind people don't understand these basic gun rules (not you, just commenting on the quote you said)
This post was edited on 9/9/16 at 4:02 pm
Posted on 9/9/16 at 4:00 pm to Jcorye1
Looks like shooter and victim were friends and initial argument was over money.
Posted on 9/9/16 at 4:03 pm to Jcorye1
quote:Why should it? He doesn't know for certain that the threat is contained.
That last shot is going to give him a prison term
Posted on 9/9/16 at 4:03 pm to Theboot32
He was still up after the first shot. Imo he was not neutralized till he fell.
Posted on 9/9/16 at 4:04 pm to 7thWardTiger
quote:
Looks like shooter and victim were friends and initial argument was over money.
Yeah, looks that way. but that still does not change the fact this guy found himself being attacked with a deadly weapon with no way to escape. Once that guy with the pipe grabbed his door and moved toward him, this man was faced with either using deadly force to stop the attack or having deadly force used on him.
I don't see how anyone could expect him to do anything differently than he did.
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