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re: Self defense or manslaughter. Video of shooting after road rage incident
Posted on 9/9/16 at 2:54 pm to pjab
Posted on 9/9/16 at 2:54 pm to pjab
quote:
Look at it from the bat guy's perspective.
I'm about to step out of my vehicle and go after someone with a metal pipe because they didn't use their turn signal. He may be armed, so I probably shouldn't do it. If he isn't armed and I decide to swing at him, then what? Best case I go to jail for assault. Worst case, I kill the guy and I go to prison for life.
Maybe I should move on and still be alive.
*edit
I understand your point, so don't take it personal.
This post was edited on 9/9/16 at 3:19 pm
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Posted on 9/9/16 at 2:55 pm to Split2874
quote:
I know the shooter seemed so calm, like maybe he has done this before...
You never know who exactly you are messing with.
Could have been some dude that's done wet work in the Middle East for 15 years.
That's why you don't go messing with people
Posted on 9/9/16 at 2:57 pm to GoHoGsGo06
quote:
Just took a concealed carry class. I'm interested in what led this this altercation. If the shooter did something to instigate this; it's not good on him.
Nope. Even if the shooter did something to instigate, we are talking about two different altercations at that point. The shooter pulls into a parking spot and the guy follows him. There's no question that the first two shots are 100% justified.
Posted on 9/9/16 at 3:02 pm to Theboot32
quote:
Manslaughter
Once the threat is neautralized, dude down on the ground, you need to stop shooting
Unless they can prove the first shot killed him or something
This is 100% accurate whether you agree with it or not.
First shot = ok
Subsequent shots will get you convicted.
Posted on 9/9/16 at 3:05 pm to 7thWardTiger
clearly self defense no question
case closed
You don't stop and analyze each shot when in a situation like that. Sure the last shot appears to be in the back of the head but I would have unloaded all 6 shots.
case closed
You don't stop and analyze each shot when in a situation like that. Sure the last shot appears to be in the back of the head but I would have unloaded all 6 shots.
This post was edited on 9/9/16 at 3:10 pm
Posted on 9/9/16 at 3:08 pm to Charlie Arglist
quote:
This is 100% accurate whether you agree with it or not.
First shot = ok
Subsequent shots will get you convicted.
when you mean 100% accurate, i'm assuming you meant like a weather forecast.
Posted on 9/9/16 at 3:09 pm to Chad504boy
Dude with stick broke the rules:
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes
This post was edited on 9/9/16 at 3:10 pm
Posted on 9/9/16 at 3:09 pm to 7thWardTiger
there is absolutely no way to argue the kill shot was necessary
Posted on 9/9/16 at 3:13 pm to 7thWardTiger
I see a man defending himself from a psycho with a bat trying to inflict serious harm.
He's walking IMO.
He's walking IMO.
Posted on 9/9/16 at 3:16 pm to tigeraddict
quote:
life threatening situation, you are not thinking... self preservation kicks in, you shoot till you feel safe...
guy with bat is the instigator...he even opens car door going after him...
Exactly. In this situation you keep firing at them so long as they're still upright. The last thing you want to do is shoot them once then stand back and see how they react. They may react by tapping you on the side of the head with that baseball bat. No, you keep firing until the threat they pose is completely neutralized. Which that's what this guy did from what I can see.
Posted on 9/9/16 at 3:17 pm to Charlie Arglist
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This is 100% accurate whether you agree with it or not.
Completely incorrect.
Posted on 9/9/16 at 3:17 pm to rondo
quote:
there is absolutely no way to argue the kill shot was necessary
There's also no need to argue that.
Posted on 9/9/16 at 3:19 pm to rondo
quote:
there is absolutely no way to argue the kill shot was necessary
Was the bat guy on drugs? Is there a possibility that bat man was on drugs? The guy was not rational, you don;t know if the threat has been eliminated. Bullets do not always hit where you aim. People do not die like in the movies. It isn't like the shooter walk backed 3 minutes later after he had been laying on the ground and shoot him again, completely justified.
Posted on 9/9/16 at 3:19 pm to banone74
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Exactly how I see it 7thWard. There was absolutely no need to execute that dude , leaned over for the kill shot to back of the head. The threat was neutralized, you have the bigger weapon, step back after first two shots & guy is slumped over & making zero threatening gestures. I get it, "don't start nothing, won't be nothing." But that just seemed extreme.
That's a great way to get yourself killed.
Posted on 9/9/16 at 3:20 pm to 7thWardTiger
Looked justified to me, that's the risk you take now days road ragging on someone.
If homeboy would have hit him with that stick he would have been F'ed up
If homeboy would have hit him with that stick he would have been F'ed up
Posted on 9/9/16 at 3:24 pm to banone74
quote:You don't actually know that in the moment.
The threat was neutralized
Posted on 9/9/16 at 3:26 pm to 7thWardTiger
I dont think this happened in the US
Posted on 9/9/16 at 3:28 pm to tgrbaitn08
Posted on 9/9/16 at 3:28 pm to UpToPar
I agree there are two altercation points in this scenario; I'm just saying that guy would be leaving his fate up to a jury (i.e. Trayvon Martin case study). I'd rather not leave the "who instigated this" up to a jury.
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