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re: School shooter's attorney weighs in...
Posted on 2/16/18 at 12:33 pm to Gris Gris
Posted on 2/16/18 at 12:33 pm to Gris Gris
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Gris Gris
Excellent analysis.
Despite all of the name calling in this thread, I was mostly shocked at the part I highlighted in the OP. As someone said on one of the first pages, I think the attorney was extremely tone deaf to try to paint his client as someone that "needs to be saved" at this point. I never meant to imply that the shooter doesn't deserve a vigorous defense. Just that the attorney should at least be bright enough to not make people MORE pissed at his client.
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Posted on 2/16/18 at 12:57 pm to jbgleason
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"He is a deeply troubled young man; a child that has endured significant loss," Gordon Weekes, chief assistant for Broward County's public defender's office, told reporters Thursday. "He fell between the cracks and we have to try to save him now."
These are the kinds of quotes that pisses me off! There absolutely no reason to go in shoot up a bunch of innocent kids! The FBI had there chances and dropped the ball on this one.
Posted on 2/16/18 at 1:26 pm to jbgleason
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Just that the attorney should at least be bright enough to not make people MORE pissed at his client.
Not everyone will see that the way you do. They know that. It made me feel sorry for him. Not enough not to convict, but enough not to put him to death, probably. They gave just enough information on him to try to soften some potential jurors. Also, some of what they said may not even be admissible in a trial, if one is held. They knew exactly what they were doing.
I think the attorney getting upset was real. Lots of reasons to be upset. One is getting stuck with this incredibly awful case and another is over the deaths and injuries while being obligated to be on the other side.
It's also interesting that the kid has spilled so many beans and I heard last night that they expect to speak with him again. If that's the case, it's part of the strategy of the defense team to allow it, I think. If they have to argue against death, it gives them some mitigating factors to discuss. He was cooperative, admitted to it immediately, was mournful, remorseful etc... The attorneys sure don't have much with which to defend this kid. Their only goal will be to save his life.
I saw a brother mentioned somewhere, but i haven't seen anything else about him. I haven't googled either, though.
Posted on 2/16/18 at 1:27 pm to jbgleason
OCD and ADHD don’t lead to mass murder. He might have serious problems, but after you kill 17 people, your problems don’t mean shite.
Posted on 2/16/18 at 1:29 pm to jbgleason
He's a victim blah blah bla
Not everyone can be saved. There are some irredeemable people out there
Not everyone can be saved. There are some irredeemable people out there
Posted on 2/16/18 at 1:32 pm to jbgleason
Ultra liberal? He's a criminal defense attorney for a client who already confessed. He's just trying to soften the sentencing phase. That isn't "liberal," it's just how one acts in a hopeless situation.
Posted on 2/16/18 at 2:11 pm to jbgleason
I realize this will never happen.
People should required to have a license and a permit to have children. Look at all the things we control and regulate. Yet the most important part of life is totally neglected. Any two idiots after a drunken night can have a kid!
People should required to have a license and a permit to have children. Look at all the things we control and regulate. Yet the most important part of life is totally neglected. Any two idiots after a drunken night can have a kid!
Posted on 2/16/18 at 2:19 pm to jbgleason
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FWIW, people had wondered if he was on meds and it is confirmed now. I definitely see a correlation between medicating these kids and them going off the edge.
FWIW, people had wondered if he was on meds and it is confirmed now. I definitely see a correlation between medicating these kids and them going off the edge.
Just a theory but if you have a adolescent who maybe Bipolar at at Risk for being bipolar meaning one or more of his parents were bipolar and you give that person an antidepressant that they have issues metabolizing it can result in a mania episode. More likely to inflict self harm. I think this kid was just a piece of shite so I'm not giving him an out. Just a theory of how this can happen to him or someone else as they may not have known his family history given he was adopted.
Posted on 2/16/18 at 2:21 pm to HueyP
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People should required to have a license and a permit to have children. Look at all the things we control and regulate.
Not exactly possible to control if and when people are going to bang each other.
Posted on 2/16/18 at 2:28 pm to TigerFanInSouthland
quote:I believe it is a load of garbage. People who have mental issues get placed on psychiatric meds. People with mental issues also act out violently at times, despite the meds. It's like saying blood pressure and cholesterol meds cause heart attacks because so many people who have heart attacks are also taking those meds. Sometimes, the meds aren't enough.
’m not a parent nor am I a doctor or pharmacist, I don’t know if that’s the case or not. Anybody got any thoughts behind that premise?
Posted on 2/16/18 at 2:31 pm to Gris Gris
quote:He went and sat down and ate at subway after.....
This is a tough situation. The kid obviously suffers from mental illness, but did he know right from wrong at the time of this premeditated event? I think he did
I dont think his brain had a clue about right/wrong or anything else. He was a complete mental case that had guns
Posted on 2/16/18 at 2:34 pm to jbgleason
I could see SSRIs causing someone to lose their shite. If there dose is too high, you lose almost all impulse control.
It happened to me once. They have me a dose to help my anxiety. It helped, but I had damn near zero impulse control. But luckily I'm not a hateful or mean person by nature. I just got a lot of pussy, and shoplifted a couple candy bars when I was drunk getting Brothers chicken. So I stopped when I realized it was hurting me more than helping.
It happened to me once. They have me a dose to help my anxiety. It helped, but I had damn near zero impulse control. But luckily I'm not a hateful or mean person by nature. I just got a lot of pussy, and shoplifted a couple candy bars when I was drunk getting Brothers chicken. So I stopped when I realized it was hurting me more than helping.
Posted on 2/16/18 at 2:35 pm to lsupride87
Did he make an effort to escape? If he did, that suggests he knew what he did was wrong.
Posted on 2/16/18 at 2:36 pm to Jake88
quote:He went to mcdonalds and hung around, then went to subway and ate
Did he make an effort to escape?
Not sure exactly what he was thinking, maybe that was escaping?
Posted on 2/16/18 at 2:38 pm to lsupride87
Did he not blend in with the students to get off campus and avoid arrest? Or, did he let it be known it was he who had been the shooter?
Posted on 2/16/18 at 2:39 pm to Jake88
quote:He did. He wanted to get away, but I dont think he knew it was wrong in the way most of us do
Did he not blend in with the students to get off campus and avoid arrest? Or, did he let it be known it was he who had been the shooter?
When I was younger, i used to be in the crowd of "frick insanity, kill him in the streets!!!!!"
Now that I am older, I think that mentality is part of the reason we are where we are at now
I will get called a pussy cuck, but I think we need to figure out these psychosis events, instead of dismissing them
This post was edited on 2/16/18 at 2:41 pm
Posted on 2/16/18 at 2:45 pm to lsupride87
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He went and sat down and ate at subway after..... I dont think his brain had a clue about right/wrong or anything else. He was a complete mental case that had guns
I think he has mental issues, but I don't know that they were enough to give rise to not knowing right from wrong at the time of the shootings. He also planned it. He set off the fire alarm to get kids out of the rooms so he could shoot them when they came out. He knew what he was doing. He'd planned it and not for 5 minutes. He left his gun and backpack etc... in the school and left with the other students. I think once he got away, he was probably somewhat in shock as to what he'd done. He was immediately remorseful per his own attorneys. Based on what we know now, I think he knew right from wrong in spite of his mental and emotional issues. I'm interested in whether he was on any medications or illegal drugs at the time.
Posted on 2/16/18 at 2:45 pm to lsupride87
I'm not younger and I'm not poopooing an insanity defense, but the burden to prove insanity is on the defendant and his taking action to elude capture speaks against insanity.
Posted on 2/16/18 at 5:47 pm to jchamil
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Not exactly possible to control if and when people are going to bang each other.
While I totally agree. It’s just a shame some people are allowed procreate. The poor kids some people create never stand a chance in life.
Posted on 2/16/18 at 6:53 pm to Pelican fan99
Poor kid.
Death penalty.
Death penalty.
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