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Posted on 2/16/18 at 11:46 am to Bourre
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Another problem with mentally ill people is once they are prescribed medication, they start to “feel better” and quit taking their medication
And any doctor and pharmacist will tell them several times not to do this.
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That’s why I said it’s the person and not the medication or guns. I am just pointing out that there is a common denominator and it should be explored
Crazy people use guns to kill people.
Crazy people are on medication.
Some ground breaking developments here
Posted on 2/16/18 at 11:47 am to TH03
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That’s why I stated it’s the person
And that's all that matters
If a million people are on the same medication and one snaps, you're gonna put blame on the medication?
Good grief, you can’t be this stupid.
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That’s why I stated it’s the person
Posted on 2/16/18 at 11:50 am to jbgleason
Sorry but if you can't exist without shooting kids then you don't deserve to exist at all.
Posted on 2/16/18 at 11:50 am to TH03
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And any doctor and pharmacist will tell them several times not to do this.
So you are saying mentally ill people don’t make rational decisions?
Ground breaking developments here
Posted on 2/16/18 at 11:51 am to Bourre
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Good grief, you can’t be this stupid.
I think he might be after reading his replies to your posts
Posted on 2/16/18 at 11:52 am to Bourre
Don't crawfish now. You came it on with that dumbass Facebook meme and asking about side effects of those medications. Now you're trying to claim you weren't trying to blame the medications
But I'm the dumbass.
But I'm the dumbass.
Posted on 2/16/18 at 11:52 am to Pettifogger
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I doubt he just got to this point because he consciously decided to be fricked up and evil
Why?
Posted on 2/16/18 at 12:00 pm to jbgleason
Most murderers are crazy. That doesn't absolve them of being murderers.
We should put this kid down like you put down a dog with rabies.
We should put this kid down like you put down a dog with rabies.
Posted on 2/16/18 at 12:03 pm to jbgleason
I burst out laughing at "we have to save him."
Ok, no tar and feathers, just a .22 into the back of his skull.
Ok, no tar and feathers, just a .22 into the back of his skull.
Posted on 2/16/18 at 12:05 pm to Lakeboy7
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What I would do is a judicially correct interpretation of the 2nd Amendment. Problem(s) solved.
Which is what in your opinion??
Posted on 2/16/18 at 12:06 pm to lsupride87
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But instead of beating our chest, saying frick that loser, ugly arse bitch, hang him now etc etc etc , How about we study him and make strides to prevent this shite from happening again?
im good
f him
Posted on 2/16/18 at 12:07 pm to jbgleason
I would imagine when those two public defenders were appointed to this case, their stress levels went to an all time high along with concern for their own families. Not only do they have to provide the best defense they can for a kid who massacred other kids and adults, but they have to worry about heathens who have no conception of the right to an attorney making threats against them. That will surely happen. That's not all. Having a life in your hands, regardless of who it is, has to be pretty damn hard. An impossible situation and I have a certain amount of admiration for the attorneys who can handle these types of cases.
This is a tough situation. The kid obviously suffers from mental illness, but did he know right from wrong at the time of this premeditated event? I think he did. This is too big and too planned. It might save his life particularly if he pleads and the DA accepts the plea in return for life, but it's not going to get him off by reason of insanity, I don't think. I would imagine the DA will talk with the families if a plea agreement comes up.
It's not like the case of Andrea Yates, for example. I think that woman was legitimately sick and had severe psychosis. I also think her husband wasn't helpful. I think she's still in a mental health facility. What an incredibly sad case.
This is a tough situation. The kid obviously suffers from mental illness, but did he know right from wrong at the time of this premeditated event? I think he did. This is too big and too planned. It might save his life particularly if he pleads and the DA accepts the plea in return for life, but it's not going to get him off by reason of insanity, I don't think. I would imagine the DA will talk with the families if a plea agreement comes up.
It's not like the case of Andrea Yates, for example. I think that woman was legitimately sick and had severe psychosis. I also think her husband wasn't helpful. I think she's still in a mental health facility. What an incredibly sad case.
Posted on 2/16/18 at 12:08 pm to TigerFanInSouthland
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Posted on 2/16/18 at 12:12 pm to CAD703X
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i actually feel sorry for this kid as well. he went to fricking subway for a sandwich after the shooting.
i'm not saying he shouldn't pay for what he did, but thats not the act of a hardened criminal..its the act of someone with severe mental illness.
According to his notes and stuff he told his friends, this was clearly very planned out, possibly even for years.
From the entrance to the escape amongst the crowd, etc.
What if he went to Subway and said he heard voices to help his "unfit to stand trial" defense? This guy could've evaded arrest for a lot longer, but he knew he would've eventually got caught. So maybe he planned to get caught in a way that made him seem detached from reality?
Posted on 2/16/18 at 12:13 pm to TH03
Yes, you are a dumbass. You have 2 sides screaming at each other. 1 side wants to infringe on gun rights and the other side wants to infringe on due process rights. The problem is both are constitutionally protected, as they should be. So since we have 2 constitutionally protected rights butting up against each other, let’s take a look at other common denominators between the shooters that don’t effect innocent people’s rights.
The other common denominator is the type of medications the shooters are being prescribed. Now, anyone within the health field knows that patients respond differently to medications. So just because you take the same thing as another patient it doesn’t mean y’all will have similar outcomes. What I am saying it is another avenue to explore that doesn’t infringe on constitutional rights.
BTW, I asked about the side effects of medications knowing there is a black box warning. You know what else the shooters have in common, age. Who is most likely to be effected by the black box warning, people under 25
Mayo Clinic
The other common denominator is the type of medications the shooters are being prescribed. Now, anyone within the health field knows that patients respond differently to medications. So just because you take the same thing as another patient it doesn’t mean y’all will have similar outcomes. What I am saying it is another avenue to explore that doesn’t infringe on constitutional rights.
BTW, I asked about the side effects of medications knowing there is a black box warning. You know what else the shooters have in common, age. Who is most likely to be effected by the black box warning, people under 25
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Suicide risk and antidepressants
Most antidepressants are generally safe, but the FDA requires that all antidepressants carry black box warnings, the strictest warnings for prescriptions. In some cases, children, teenagers and young adults under 25 may have an increase in suicidal thoughts or behavior when taking antidepressants, especially in the first few weeks after starting or when the dose is changed.
Anyone taking an antidepressant should be watched closely for worsening depression or unusual behavior. If you or someone you know has suicidal thoughts when taking an antidepressant, immediately contact your doctor or get emergency help.
Keep in mind that antidepressants are more likely to reduce suicide risk in the long run by improving mood.
Mayo Clinic
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Posted on 2/16/18 at 12:18 pm to SlowFlowPro
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you see a correlation between mentally/biologically deficient people requiring medicine and mentally/biologically deficient people acting out in anti-social ways? you're a regular Sherlock Holmes
I think what he's saying is that there certainly seems to be correlation between developing children taking medication for some bullshite "ADD" and those actions having terrible ramifications. Whether it manifests into a weak adult being offended by everything or going off the deep end like this particular individual, giving meds to young children is probably something that needs to be addressed. It's almost become the norm to do.
Think about that....it's become the norm to dope kids up because someone in their life feels they are too hyper or too "all over the place."
I think we can agree that medicating children as young as 7 years old because God forbid, they can't sit still or take a bit longer to read word problems, is a terrible idea. We are now starting to see longitudinal data on how it just fricks them up.
Posted on 2/16/18 at 12:20 pm to jbgleason
Op, come on. It’s literally the defense attorney’s job to at least give lip service. The kid’s a dick, not the lawyer.
Posted on 2/16/18 at 12:27 pm to TigerFanatic99
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Something smells shitty. ADHD and OCD don't lead down THIS path. I'd be curious what kind of drugs he was on that created this level of psychosis.
Actually, I think it certainly has the ring of truth.
Your standard operating procedure is that these young, developing minds are put on meds to "control ADD." Years pass and onto adolescent years wherein they graduate to anti-anxiety meds. A few more years pass and now they're on anti-depressants. Now, you have an 18-20 year old that's been on mind altering drugs for about half of their life and chances are they need more, so they get put on anti-psychotics. It's a cocktail of bullshite all stemming from when little Johnny was 7 years old and his parents/teachers/pediatrician felt he was too hyper.
Posted on 2/16/18 at 12:30 pm to jbgleason
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suffered from mental health issues, including ADHD and OCD, and took medication as treatment. Cruz's lawyer said Thursday her client was "a broken human being" and the team was looking into an evaluation for autism.
Oh yea they are at worst going to get his time in a psychiatric facility. No way this kid makes it to a state pen or death row...no way...even though that is exactly what he deserves.
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