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re: Return to office / employees quitting
Posted on 5/4/22 at 12:33 pm to wadewilson
Posted on 5/4/22 at 12:33 pm to wadewilson
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Execs are boomers?
I'd say they are all Gen X or Gen Y. I don't think there any people over 60 in the company at all.
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Posted on 5/4/22 at 12:34 pm to VADawg
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I think companies that have a lot of money tied up into commercial real estate (large office buildings) are bringing people back into the office to justify overpaying for office space.
TBH there are also a lot of departments and positions that survive based on the types of roadblocks and fabricated complexities that come, in part, from people being in the office. So lurking behind this are a lot of people who think it'll eventually be discovered that they don't really do anything of considerable value.
Posted on 5/4/22 at 12:35 pm to Fat and Happy
This is likely heavily influenced by what market you are in.
Places like NYC, LA, San Fran / Silicon Valley, etc, are ones where costs of living and travel times are through the roof for commuting.
I have a hybrid work schedule. My in office days have a drive time of roughly 30-40 minutes each way. That is flyshit compared to commutes in certain markets due to how far housing is from the office without paying through the nose.
Places like NYC, LA, San Fran / Silicon Valley, etc, are ones where costs of living and travel times are through the roof for commuting.
I have a hybrid work schedule. My in office days have a drive time of roughly 30-40 minutes each way. That is flyshit compared to commutes in certain markets due to how far housing is from the office without paying through the nose.
Posted on 5/4/22 at 12:36 pm to concrete_tiger
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I know MOST people have 2 monitors, some nerds like me have 3
shite, I'm rocking a four screen hydra setup.
Posted on 5/4/22 at 12:37 pm to Loup
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I don't know how it'd be for me. I keep saying I wouldn't be able to be productive but I'd likely get the same amount of work done in half the time then end up mowing the grass. I'm not good with distractions and being in the office keeps me focused.
I know everyone is in a different situation but for me it was the opposite. At the office, there was more distractions like coworkers interrupting you and more non needed meetings. Also lot more office politics which always becomes annoying and can take time and energy away from you.
Don’t get me wrong, working from home has some draw backs but so far the positives greatly out weigh the negatives, for me at least.
Posted on 5/4/22 at 12:39 pm to TexasTiger90
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The market will dictate which of these types of companies succeed and which fall off the map. It's a new era and companies that aren't willing to adapt will be lost.
I work for the public utility in CO and they hired so many people during the WFH boom in 2020 and 2021 that there's physically no space in the entire downtown Denver office building to allow everyone to come in. We now have one week out of every month a specific set of teams travels in and either does site visits or goes to the office. It's a nice balance and one that gives everyone a piece of what they want.
We had to rent out a few floors in the Colorado Center down by Cherry Creek. No remote work for us.
Posted on 5/4/22 at 12:40 pm to Centinel
I've always worked from home some even before Covid since we are 24/7 shop. My home office was already way nicer than my work office before all of this crap started
Posted on 5/4/22 at 12:42 pm to concrete_tiger
Why would any want to return to cubicle life after 2+ years working remote?
The new trend is hotelling/hybrid. Come in a few days a week, stay remote the other. Saves on costs for everyone, while continuing office relations.
The new trend is hotelling/hybrid. Come in a few days a week, stay remote the other. Saves on costs for everyone, while continuing office relations.
Posted on 5/4/22 at 12:45 pm to Abstract Queso Dip
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It's a job seekers market
I’m banking on that. Developments at my current job have made me start looking.
Any advice on a good field for someone with good writing and big picture skills? Good with people? I think it’s time for a career change.
Posted on 5/4/22 at 12:46 pm to Rhino5
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Come in a few days a week, stay remote the other. Saves on costs for everyone, while continuing office relations.
Exactly what we're doing.
Posted on 5/4/22 at 12:47 pm to concrete_tiger
We remain optional office for the foreseeable future and are probably downsizing office space. And its funny because I used to have a long arse PITA commute and was always finding excuses to WFH, but many people that live relatively close and have an easy commute also are resistant to return to office. Of course there’s a few that have miserable home lives that still go in
Posted on 5/4/22 at 12:48 pm to concrete_tiger
Remote, never went back, and never will.
We can optionally go in for hot desks if we want to, but no thanks. Had my own office before this and have one at home, so def not going in for a shared desk experience.
In my industry (Tech/Cybersecurity) you're committing human resource suicide if you try to force people into the office.
We can optionally go in for hot desks if we want to, but no thanks. Had my own office before this and have one at home, so def not going in for a shared desk experience.
In my industry (Tech/Cybersecurity) you're committing human resource suicide if you try to force people into the office.
Posted on 5/4/22 at 12:49 pm to concrete_tiger
Work? I haven't worked in a few years and I won't ever get a pay stub again.
Posted on 5/4/22 at 12:51 pm to Loup
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get the same amount of work done in half the time then end up mowing the grass.
This is the beauty of WFH.
I am way, WAY more distracted in office than at home. People randomly dropping by your office, or bumping into someone in break room and chatting for 20m, etc. None of that. I can accomplish my work much more efficiently and experience better work/life balance.
Posted on 5/4/22 at 12:54 pm to concrete_tiger
Yep...people see the value and improvement of life working from home and there are remote positions all over the country.
People can save on things like gas while commuting, work clothes, saves time not having to commute, can do things like laundry and dishes on short breaks rather than listen to Nancy's weekend at Jazz Fest.
Companies that resist have a culture of poor training and/or hiring practices.
People can save on things like gas while commuting, work clothes, saves time not having to commute, can do things like laundry and dishes on short breaks rather than listen to Nancy's weekend at Jazz Fest.
Companies that resist have a culture of poor training and/or hiring practices.
Posted on 5/4/22 at 12:54 pm to concrete_tiger
I personally know 3 people who left their company for a remote job and more pay doing the same thing because their current employer would not allow. 2 of these people are working for companies out of state but working from their home
Posted on 5/4/22 at 12:55 pm to concrete_tiger
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This is a huge director-level loss
Damn, directors can't dictate their own working conditions at your place? What's the justification for forfeiting all the time and money invested in this person? Didn't want her opinion to snowball?
That's wild to not make it work with such a high level employee. Maybe the director role isn't as high up as it is in my company.
We're having higher than usual turnover, but not because of our move back to office work. In fact I know we've lost a few people because they wanted to travel but we weren't allowing it soon enough.
Posted on 5/4/22 at 12:55 pm to concrete_tiger
hard to believe with the technology we have today the progressive "leaders" of these companies think coming to the office is a must for success. It's inefficient. People sit in traffic when they could be contributing, they call in sick more often and office politics/HR issues become more prevalent.
Some jobs are not work-from-home capable. But those that are, should be taken advantage of. It's a waste of time for a sales force to show up at the office and then go into the field, as an example.
Some jobs are not work-from-home capable. But those that are, should be taken advantage of. It's a waste of time for a sales force to show up at the office and then go into the field, as an example.
Posted on 5/4/22 at 12:56 pm to The Scofflaw
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yes, our company gave us the option to return partial or go to remote 100%. I chose remote, and wouldve found another job if I were forced to go back.
I find it humorous that some people are butthurt about you having a choice to work remotely.
Posted on 5/4/22 at 12:57 pm to madmaxvol
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Yep...I've got 4 people who are supposed to be back on site by May 16th. Totally anticipate losing at least 1 between now and then.
Thing is, they have been more productive since working from home. Not just a little bit...significantly more productive.
People keep saying this, but its not a simple matter of "they did better at home while all variables were the same".
The simple fact is, many MANY variables changed the last 2 years. Some industries grew immensely and really didn't need to do shite. Some industries couldn't tread water with bricks tied to their feet.
Ultimately, you have to look at the big picture. Some companies will fail this, some will do okay, and some will excel and some that excel may just get very lucky.
The reality is the future is going to be a big mix and each company will be different.
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