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re: Return to office / employees quitting
Posted on 5/4/22 at 8:00 pm to Hulkklogan
Posted on 5/4/22 at 8:00 pm to Hulkklogan
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The pandemic opened many peoples' eyes about WFH, and if employers will demand employees be in the office when they don't feel it's necessary, then they will find another job. Personally I've been WFH since 2018, so the pandemic didnt change much for me regarding work.
I agree with this 100%. But, let’s also agree on the alternative please, the pandemic allowed a lot of people to WFH that never should have been allowed to and never will be able
To again.
Look, for everyone that CAN WFH you guys gotta understand there’s probably 2-3 that can’t be trusted to perform. Making the assumption WFH is for Everyone is laughable. Making the assumption every qualified college graduate that makes $50k can WFH and be just as productive or every business just as good is incorrect.
What you should be pushing, is that YOU are worth MORE as the rare person that can work from home, be more productive, and a better employee. You are worth more to the business and save more.
It should be a benefit and reward, not a standard until proven. Imo.
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Posted on 5/4/22 at 8:02 pm to Pettifogger
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TBH there are also a lot of departments and positions that survive based on the types of roadblocks and fabricated complexities that come, in part, from people being in the office. So lurking behind this are a lot of people who think it'll eventually be discovered that they don't really do anything of considerable value.
This is the correct answer. Middle mgmt is in a panic that they will be found out that they really arent needed. If given the opportunity to work at home, 95% of people put in more hours and work more efficiently than int he office. They try harder.
They don't need a minder after initial training is done. This renders certain positions obsolete.
Posted on 5/4/22 at 8:03 pm to baldona
You're right, but if one doesn't perform then its time to trim fat.
Posted on 5/4/22 at 8:05 pm to baldona
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It should be a benefit and reward, not a standard until proven. Imo.
No, it should be a standard and if you can't meet that standard, you should find employment elsewhere.
Posted on 5/4/22 at 8:05 pm to concrete_tiger
It was office job when they interviewed/begged for the role. Screw them, move on. The mind change coming 3-5 years will be interesting to watch...from my office.
Posted on 5/4/22 at 8:05 pm to wadewilson
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Execs are boomers?
You'd be surprised how many "Office 4-Evah!" types are Gen X or Millenials. There's a hardcore Cult of the 14 hour day at the Office in the Biz community, especially among financial and investing types.
Posted on 5/4/22 at 8:08 pm to DesScorp
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You'd be surprised how many "Office 4-Evah!" types are Gen X or Millenials. There's a hardcore Cult of the 14 hour day at the Office in the Biz community, especially among financial and investing types.
My previous boss was a butts in seats guy. He hated when we were all sent home during Covid but that decision was made above his head. He left the company and the person I report to now is completely opposite.
He doesn't care where you are as long as you are available during business hours via phone or Teams.
Both were/are older millennials
Posted on 5/4/22 at 8:12 pm to concrete_tiger
Many large companies that have returned to a rigid work in the office requirements are seeing employees leave to a company offering WFH
Posted on 5/4/22 at 8:17 pm to fallguy_1978
This discussion should have been an episode of Black Mirror.
Posted on 5/4/22 at 8:20 pm to fallguy_1978
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He doesn't care where you are as long as you are available during business hours via phone or Teams.
This is where I think we're heading with our team. We're doing the hybrid thing with Wednesdays required in office, but it's not very popular. People want all WFH. Personally, I like it how it is now but they others don't agree.
Posted on 5/4/22 at 8:32 pm to baldona
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Look, for everyone that CAN WFH you guys gotta understand there’s probably 2-3 that can’t be trusted to perform. Making the assumption WFH is for Everyone is laughable. Making the assumption every qualified college graduate that makes $50k can WFH and be just as productive or every business just as good is incorrect.
What is needed is clearly defined expectations, and ways in which to monitor and track those expectations without micromanaging. It’s obviously not for everyone, low level non-professional jobs probably need asses in seats to insure efficiency. But professionals should have flexibility and just be held to standards set forth. If they can’t meet those standards consistently, then it’s time to move on.
I have deadlines, and I have to be available via phone or Teams. As long as those are met, it doesn’t matter if I’m working from the passenger seat in a vehicle on the way back from a beach vacation
Posted on 5/4/22 at 8:34 pm to supadave3
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This is where I think we're heading with our team. We're doing the hybrid thing with Wednesdays required in office, but it's not very popular. People want all WFH. Personally, I like it how it is now but they others don't agree.
I've gotten pretty used to wfh after over 2 years of it but I sometimes go in more than required just because I'm tired of being in my house. I'm the only one who does this though
Posted on 5/4/22 at 8:39 pm to fallguy_1978
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go in more than required just because I'm tired of being in my house. I'm the only one who does this though
Exactly. It's pointless. I still occasionally do it though. I enjoy being out for lunch and the drive into work.
This post was edited on 5/4/22 at 8:40 pm
Posted on 5/4/22 at 8:42 pm to fallguy_1978
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Both were/are older millennials
Are you a millennial ? A little off topic and nothing to do with WFH, but im Gen X and ive had a couple bosses in the past who were younger than me, one by like 10 yrs.. it’s an interesting dynamic, and can be a little odd being told what to do by someone that much younger.. but i got over it pretty quick, and honestly wound up feeling a little sorry for them since i would never want their jobs and the headaches that come along with them, for just an incremental increase in salary and bonuses .
Posted on 5/4/22 at 8:44 pm to BK Lounge
Nah I'm GenX. I was offered my previous bosses' job when he left but managing people all day sounds like one of Dante's circles of hell to me.
Posted on 5/4/22 at 8:45 pm to fallguy_1978
I'm not targeting you but just responding in general 
Throwing this out there. If everyone can WFH is there a point in time you are no longer irreplaceable? If being able to perform your job from the confines of your own home is what separates you, when is that no longer what makes you special? Is there a tipping point where the number of screens in your office makes you more valuable than the person who can make those screens work and give you a place to set them?
Throwing this out there. If everyone can WFH is there a point in time you are no longer irreplaceable? If being able to perform your job from the confines of your own home is what separates you, when is that no longer what makes you special? Is there a tipping point where the number of screens in your office makes you more valuable than the person who can make those screens work and give you a place to set them?
Posted on 5/4/22 at 8:45 pm to concrete_tiger
I only went in 1-2 days a week before the pandemic, less at times. I've been in once since it started. I suspect there would be mass resignations if they tried to make us go in on a regular basis. There is just no need and they are giving up our space for a much smaller one with some hotel cubes and offices.
It's short-sighted to try to force people back into the office if remote was working fine.
It's short-sighted to try to force people back into the office if remote was working fine.
Posted on 5/4/22 at 8:45 pm to supadave3
quote:Because all wfh doesn't require me to get dressed or commute. You can see me on teams if you have to and I don't have to do either of those things. Plus you cant see me scrolling on TD while you drone on about nothing.
This is where I think we're heading with our team. We're doing the hybrid thing with Wednesdays required in office, but it's not very popular. People want all WFH. Personally, I like it how it is now but they others don't agree.
Posted on 5/4/22 at 8:46 pm to fallguy_1978
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managing people all day sounds like one of Dante's circles of hell to me.
Same .
I think some people like the ‘control’ element or power dynamic that it brings, but for whatever reason ive just never had that .
Posted on 5/4/22 at 8:50 pm to redstick13
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If everyone can WFH is there a point in time you are no longer irreplaceable? If being able to perform your job from the confines of your own home is what separates you, when is that no longer what makes you special?
I'm replaceable like just about everyone else. I have no real delusions that I'm somehow special from that standpoint other than having over 11 years with my current employer.
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