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re: Refineries Are Now the Main Chokepoint for Global Energy Supplies
Posted on 9/20/26 at 12:10 pm to Turbeauxdog
Posted on 9/20/26 at 12:10 pm to Turbeauxdog
Anyone advocating for an export ban in here is not capitalist and is not pro O&G. Just call it like it is.
The facts are this is very pro “Big government” telling private companies what they can and can’t do purely for political gain. It’s pandering to the constituents to drive lower prices. The outcome will be our refiners being at a global disadvantage which drives investment and expenditures to capture that margin.
I guarantee you every O&G CEO is anti export ban.
The facts are this is very pro “Big government” telling private companies what they can and can’t do purely for political gain. It’s pandering to the constituents to drive lower prices. The outcome will be our refiners being at a global disadvantage which drives investment and expenditures to capture that margin.
I guarantee you every O&G CEO is anti export ban.
Posted on 9/20/26 at 12:23 pm to ragincajun03
Since 2020 several U.S. refineries were totally shut down. Cali. La. And TEx all lost a few because of the market. That is the reason for the shortages. The crude is available but too many refineries were permanently closed. Also, all the major oil companies increased the political donations.
Posted on 9/20/26 at 12:26 pm to ragincajun03
Fire Shell Convent and P66 Belle Chase back up.
Posted on 9/20/26 at 12:58 pm to Cash
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Fire Shell Convent and P66 Belle Chase back up.
LOL
It’s not that easy, especially for P66.
Posted on 9/20/26 at 1:00 pm to notiger1997
It would take a year just to staff one of them. 
Posted on 9/20/26 at 1:10 pm to notiger1997
I’m sure it’s a lot easier than doing nothing and facing massive shortages. I’m sure it’s a lot easier than building a new refinery from scratch.
Posted on 9/20/26 at 1:52 pm to kingbob
I’m sure it’s a lot easier than doing nothing and facing massive shortages. I’m sure it’s a lot easier than building a new refinery from scratch.
Meh
Trying to restart P66 would almost be like starting from scratch. Place flooded and was in shite condition when it closed.
With that refinery and Convent, you have no idea how long the process would take. The delivery of much of the equipment/materials needed could take a year or more.
Meh
Trying to restart P66 would almost be like starting from scratch. Place flooded and was in shite condition when it closed.
With that refinery and Convent, you have no idea how long the process would take. The delivery of much of the equipment/materials needed could take a year or more.
Posted on 9/20/26 at 2:31 pm to notiger1997
You mean having the last new refinery in your country come online 50 years ago was not a good idea?
Shocked. I’m shocked I tell ya.
Shocked. I’m shocked I tell ya.
Posted on 9/20/26 at 3:16 pm to extremetigerfanatic
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You mean having the last new refinery in your country come online 50 years ago was not a good idea?
The age of a refinery is a useless metric.
This post was edited on 9/20/26 at 3:23 pm
Posted on 9/20/26 at 4:46 pm to fightin tigers
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The age of a refinery is a useless metric.
It's about expanding capacity with demand that has steadily risen for 50 years, dolt.
Russia was the gas station for Europe, and Europe called for funding Ukraine to blow up their gas station. There are consequences.
Posted on 9/20/26 at 4:53 pm to LemmyLives
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It's about expanding capacity with demand that has steadily risen for 50 years, dolt.
Ah, I see your confusion. Capacity expansion doesn't require a new refinery.
Also, US demand, particularly for gasoline, is on the decline.
So refinery closures and consolidation is due to excess refining capacity compared to demand.
This post was edited on 9/20/26 at 4:57 pm
Posted on 9/20/26 at 4:58 pm to ragincajun03
Well especially with today's technology they are undefendable targets.
Posted on 9/20/26 at 5:02 pm to ragincajun03
Meanwhile California keeps shutting down refineries to keep their prices higher than most states, morons.
Posted on 9/20/26 at 5:07 pm to fightin tigers
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US demand, particularly for gasoline, is on the decline.
Oh noes, we can't possibly sell refined products to other countries, can we? And we're going to upgrade refineries built in the 60s-70s to create 50% more output with the space constraints and regulations at hand? Pray tell, what is this magic principle makes this disappear as a US wide issue? Now refineries elsewhere have to devote capacity to CA blends that are not used in most of the rest of the US:
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leaving California with just seven crude oil refineries compared to 40 in the 1980s.
Oh, you say, some of those were tiny 5k bpd refineries! A billion here, a billion there, soon you're talking about real money, I guess.
Posted on 9/20/26 at 5:11 pm to LemmyLives
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we can't possibly sell refined products to other countries, can we?
Can't really sell more than we already do. Especially not with the threat of one day cutting off exports.
No refiner is going to invest in much into maintaining spare capacity just incase the global supply has an interruption.
Posted on 9/20/26 at 5:29 pm to Cosmo
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America First ideas
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Senate Majority Leader John Thune
Color Me skeptical
Posted on 9/20/26 at 9:27 pm to ragincajun03
Yeah no shite and have been for decades
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