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re: Quiet Quitting? Well that a new term.
Posted on 8/20/22 at 12:48 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
Posted on 8/20/22 at 12:48 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
I honestly get what you are saying. The premise may be sound. The conclusion is shortsighted at best.
You can work to the level of your pay. But you will be paid at the level of your value.
Quiet quitting precludes value gains.
It’s like doing lighter weights in the gym and cutting reps, then bitching because you aren’t bulking up.
Knowledge and skills have a present value. The longer you wait to acquire them, the less they are worth.
If you quiet quit for ten years, you are screwing yourself.
You can work to the level of your pay. But you will be paid at the level of your value.
Quiet quitting precludes value gains.
It’s like doing lighter weights in the gym and cutting reps, then bitching because you aren’t bulking up.
Knowledge and skills have a present value. The longer you wait to acquire them, the less they are worth.
If you quiet quit for ten years, you are screwing yourself.
This post was edited on 8/20/22 at 12:50 pm
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Posted on 8/20/22 at 12:49 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Employers can find other workers
That's seemingly untrue right now
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I'm kinda laughing as wages come back down, all the zoomers who sat out the pandemic will now have to accept work for less than they could have a year ago.
Wages are up more across the board in the last 18 months than they have been in the last decade +
Posted on 8/20/22 at 12:49 pm to JohnnyKilroy
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Explain to me how how your grandfather is killing all of his cows and starving to death by doing the minimum? Sounds like he would have been doing WAY less than the minimum for that to happen.
Know how I know you’ve never worked on a farm?
Posted on 8/20/22 at 12:50 pm to JudgeHolden
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Quiet quitting precludes value gains.
I'm guessing these are kids who don't see a connection between their input and continued compensation.
This post was edited on 8/20/22 at 12:51 pm
Posted on 8/20/22 at 12:50 pm to Chuck Barris
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When a salaried office worker is told to come in on Saturday to file TPS reports for no additional pay and the only motivating factor is the fear of getting fired, there is no tangible reward for this work
I agree with you on this. They should be offered comp time at a minimum. But I don’t think your example is the same as some loser dogging it at work on a Monday.
Posted on 8/20/22 at 12:50 pm to JudgeHolden
Go ahead and explain how doing the minimum results in outsized livestock deaths?
If it takes X to keep all the farm animals alive for the period you need them to be, then X would be the minimum. If you didn't do what needed to be done to avoid starving because your cows died, you did less than the minimum.
If it takes X to keep all the farm animals alive for the period you need them to be, then X would be the minimum. If you didn't do what needed to be done to avoid starving because your cows died, you did less than the minimum.
This post was edited on 8/20/22 at 12:53 pm
Posted on 8/20/22 at 12:51 pm to JudgeHolden
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If you quiet quit for ten years, you are screwing yourself
The entire premise of the concept is this is not true. You are free to agree or disagree with that and I think it will be industry/level/even individual specific.
But I don't know how you could argue that there is a dissociation between corporate and executive earnings and wage growth.
Posted on 8/20/22 at 12:53 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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No, because as an individual you hold the power over your own earning potential.
Of course, I’m selling a product, labor. I have different levels of product I offer, you get what you pay for and nothing more.
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Go find another job. Employers can find other workers. I can promise you who'll come out ahead, and its not the worker.
Then go get one. I don’t work in a job or with people who are so easily replaceable. Most who are “quiet quitting” aren’t minimum wage, low skilled workers.
Everyone is replaceable, but in my industry it generally costs considerably more to do so.
Posted on 8/20/22 at 12:53 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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I'm guessing these are kids who don't see a connection between their input and continued compensation.
You live in a 600 sq ft apartment from the 1980s and work admin for a dock. Your life revolved around alcohol for years. You have no room to blast people's drive or motivation.
Posted on 8/20/22 at 12:54 pm to Dawgfanman
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Of course, I’m selling a product, labor. I have different levels of product I offer, you get what you pay for and nothing more.
Which limits your future growth, which is your loss. Youre investing in yourself, not the company you work for.
its something a lot of you don't understand.
The cream rises to the top.
This post was edited on 8/20/22 at 12:55 pm
Posted on 8/20/22 at 12:56 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Which limits your future growth, which is your loss.
So does being a drug addicted alcoholic but I guess that's something that some people also don't understand.
Posted on 8/20/22 at 12:57 pm to RogerTheShrubber
It's kids who have only ever sat in their house or apartment in front of a laptop with chat boxes and zoom calls. It's not surprising that their is a lack of connection to their employer. And it's not just the kids losing the stickiness.
Posted on 8/20/22 at 12:58 pm to GRTiger
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And it's not just the kids losing the stickiness.
I agree. I know quite a few older folks who sat out the pandemic and are now at the bottom of the ladder.
Its their own fault.
Posted on 8/20/22 at 1:00 pm to JudgeHolden
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Knowledge and skills have a present value. The longer you wait to acquire them, the less they are worth.
People who offer chances to gain these to employees, don’t have those people “quiet quitting”. It’s employees who already have the skills, who haven’t been rewarded for them, who “quietly quit”. Usually because they are comfortable and fear the risk of doing what they should. Moving to a role, either internally or externally, that challenges them and allows them to gain new skills and increased compensation. Good managers identify this behavior and if it’s impacting the bottom line, deal with it.
Posted on 8/20/22 at 1:02 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Which limits your future growth, which is your loss. Youre investing in yourself, not the company you work for. its something a lot of you don't understand. The cream rises to the top.
No it doesn’t. It gives me time to acquire new skills, instead of spending it “going the extra mile”. If “going the extra mile” provides that same chance, if it is beneficial for me and the employer, that’s what I will do.
Posted on 8/20/22 at 1:03 pm to Dawgfanman
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Moving to a role, either internally or externally, that challenges them
You don't get it. Most would rather have the job that requires the least amount of effort. They'll slack wherever they are. Its a value they have or don't have.
Other people end up taking up up the work these people don't touch, and benefit.
Posted on 8/20/22 at 1:03 pm to JudgeHolden
quote:I understand what you're saying, and it is logical from a certain point of view: If you don't like your pay, get more skills so that your labor is more valuable.
You can work to the level of your pay. But you will be paid at the level of your value.
Quiet quitting precludes value gains.
The issue is that getting more or different skills is also a form of work. It takes time, effort, and resources. The more time and effort you spend on your primary job, the less you have left over to use gaining new skills to escape that job. Working harder at your job (in a scenario where there aren't incentives for additional work) actually makes it harder to improve your value as a worker.
Posted on 8/20/22 at 1:03 pm to sawtooth
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those who will show up to work and do the minimum required but not much else.
and on the flip side of the coin is someone who has to work twice as hard to make up for it. Bosses know who they can get work out of and they will work the shite out of them.
Posted on 8/20/22 at 1:06 pm to Undertow
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Bosses know who they can get work out of and they will work the shite out of them.
Its opportunity and pays off in the future.
Some people just want instant gratification.
will get interesting if the economy does go South.
This post was edited on 8/20/22 at 1:07 pm
Posted on 8/20/22 at 1:07 pm to JudgeHolden
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Y’all don’t have enough consequence in your life.
This is a historical chart that goes back to 1960 with real (inflation adjusted) GDP per capita.
In 1960 real GDP per capita was $3000. Last year it was $69000. We are producing 23 times more economic output per person in the US now vs. 1960. There SHOULD be far few consequences to not working as hard when we've become so much more productive. The consequences will be even less as technology continues to march forward.
That's what we need to be wrestling with. I don't see how we escape a world where you have to redistribute wealth from the Bezos' and Musk's to the rest of the people. When 99% of society is on welfare, most of our lives, at least measured by today's standards, will be completely inconsequential.
How hard we work and how much stuff we produce just can't be how we measure our lives in the future. One thing these kids do have right is they are trying to figure out how to have a meaningful life without working for it. I just hope they come up with a better solution than acting a fool on Tik Tok.
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