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re: Quiet Quitting? Well that a new term.
Posted on 8/20/22 at 12:03 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Posted on 8/20/22 at 12:03 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Most men are very competitive and will want to be the best at what they do. Evidently this isn't universal.
To some work is a paycheck, not an identity. I’d argue being the quietest quitter in the office can be refreshingly competitive.
“It’s not that I’m lazy. It’s that I just don’t care”-Peter Gibbons - jklazarus
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Posted on 8/20/22 at 12:04 pm to JKLazurus
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I’d argue being the quietest quitter in the office can be refreshingly competitive.
That’s a bold strategy, Cotton. Wonder how it will play out.
Go work for the State.
Posted on 8/20/22 at 12:06 pm to JKLazurus
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To some work is a paycheck, not an identity.
I get it.
But even working for a paycheck, I don't see how a dude isn't competitive. I don't understand the mindset. My work is not my identity, but I have to impress myself, and that's more difficult than impressing my boss.
Most guys have a drive to be the best.
Posted on 8/20/22 at 12:10 pm to sawtooth
To me, "quiet quitting" isn't fulfilling your job requirements and doing absolutely nothing more. That's what I call "doing your job." If I'm contracted to do eight hours of work and you want me to do nine, I expect to be paid for the extra hour. Same thing if I'm contracted to complete eight work tasks and you want me to do a ninth. If you want me to work so much that it's harming my ability to be a good dad and husband or making it impossible for me to actually enjoy my life, we either need to renegotiate or I need to leave. The purpose of my life isn't to make you more money or to raise a stock value. To me, this is just common sense.
True quiet quitting is when you do the bare minimum amount of work that it takes not to get fired, regardless of how much you're supposed to be doing. This is obviously only a viable strategy in a situation where you aren't closely managed and your productivity level isn't immediately noticeable to anyone who matters. People do this when they think their job truly does not matter or they feel like it's impossible to do what is asked of them on a long-term, consistent basis. Both of those are symptoms of poor management.
To those crowing about how people who don't bust their asses at work will never be as rich or successful as you, you may be right. However, this is about different people putting different values on money versus free time. Definitions of success vary.
True quiet quitting is when you do the bare minimum amount of work that it takes not to get fired, regardless of how much you're supposed to be doing. This is obviously only a viable strategy in a situation where you aren't closely managed and your productivity level isn't immediately noticeable to anyone who matters. People do this when they think their job truly does not matter or they feel like it's impossible to do what is asked of them on a long-term, consistent basis. Both of those are symptoms of poor management.
To those crowing about how people who don't bust their asses at work will never be as rich or successful as you, you may be right. However, this is about different people putting different values on money versus free time. Definitions of success vary.
This post was edited on 8/20/22 at 12:13 pm
Posted on 8/20/22 at 12:14 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
these threads always turn into a couple posters sucking their own dicks about having a decent career, as if most of the people they are arguing with do not, and i see this one is no different.
Posted on 8/20/22 at 12:18 pm to JudgeHolden
If my grandfather had quiet quit, his cows would have starved and his crops rotted. His family would have gone hungry.
If my father had quiet quit, he would have earned no commission, and we would have not had a house and clothes which, humble as they were compared to today, we appreciated.
If I had quiet quit, my kids would not have had a better life (and education) than I did, something I deeply wanted for them.
If my kids quiet quit in their roles, they would be discharged or (if in the field) might die or kill someone.
Y’all don’t have enough consequence in your life.
If my father had quiet quit, he would have earned no commission, and we would have not had a house and clothes which, humble as they were compared to today, we appreciated.
If I had quiet quit, my kids would not have had a better life (and education) than I did, something I deeply wanted for them.
If my kids quiet quit in their roles, they would be discharged or (if in the field) might die or kill someone.
Y’all don’t have enough consequence in your life.
Posted on 8/20/22 at 12:26 pm to JudgeHolden
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If my grandfather had quiet quit, his cows would have starved and his crops rotted. His family would have gone hungry.
Damn baw. You've been arguing in this thread for the past 20ish hours and still don't even understand the premise of the thread.
Posted on 8/20/22 at 12:27 pm to JudgeHolden
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If my grandfather had quiet quit, his cows would have starved and his crops rotted. His family would have gone hungry. If my father had quiet quit, he would have earned no commission, and we would have not had a house and clothes which, humble as they were compared to today, we appreciated. If I had quiet quit, my kids would not have had a better life (and education) than I did, something I deeply wanted for them. If my kids quiet quit in their roles, they would be discharged or (if in the field) might die or kill someone. Y’all don’t have enough consequence in your life.
QFT
This generation is soft
They’ll quit these jobs just to get sweet sweet gubment cheese
We are already doomed
This post was edited on 8/20/22 at 12:30 pm
Posted on 8/20/22 at 12:28 pm to Chuck Barris
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True quiet quitting is when you do the bare minimum amount of work that it takes not to get fired,
That's what trashy people do.
Posted on 8/20/22 at 12:28 pm to sawtooth
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classifies as “not engaged”—those who will show up to work and do the minimum required but not much else.
He must have surveyed the company I work for. We have twice as many employees today as we had 10 years ago, and I bet we are doing half the work. I have no clue what most of our employees do all day.
I also say this about our management. As best I can tell most of them are doing this as well, and have no idea what their employees are doing all day.
This post was edited on 8/20/22 at 12:32 pm
Posted on 8/20/22 at 12:33 pm to JohnnyKilroy
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Damn baw. You've been arguing in this thread for the past 20ish hours and still don't even understand the premise of the thread.
The premise of the thread is that workers who feel undercompensated are adjusting their productivity to the minimum necessary, giving effort only to the level of pay and no more. That trend is driven by resentment for management and older executives or owners, whom they feel are taking an increasing and disproportionate amount of the wealth created by the organization while refusing to share any of the gains with workers, falsely justifying the refusal on financial grounds. It’s also driven by the sense that no amount of effort will result in an economic return sufficient to achieve a desired standard of living.
You want to check that for me? Feel free to elaborate.
I think there is some truth to the premise. I also think that quiet quitting is an idiotic response.
This post was edited on 8/20/22 at 12:36 pm
Posted on 8/20/22 at 12:37 pm to JudgeHolden
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The premise of the thread is that workers who feel undercompensated are adjusting their productivity to the minimum necessary, giving effort only to the level of pay and no more. That trend is driven by resentment for management and older executives or owners, whom they feel are taking an increasing and disproportionate amount of the wealth created by the organization while refusing to share any of the gains with workers, falsely justifying the refusal on financial grounds. It’s also driven by the sense that no amount of effort will result in an economic return sufficient to achieve a desired standard of living.
Then why are you talking about raising livestock like its relevant?
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I think there is some truth to the premise. I also think that quiet quitting is an idiotic response.
People are quitting to go to jobs where they feel they are fairly compensated. That's exactly how it's supposed to work, what about that is hard to understand?
Posted on 8/20/22 at 12:38 pm to JudgeHolden
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who feel undercompensated are adjusting their productivity to the minimum necessary,
Its a very low class mentality.
Posted on 8/20/22 at 12:38 pm to JudgeHolden
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You want to check that for me? Feel free to elaborate.
Explain to me how how your grandfather is killing all of his cows and starving to death by doing the minimum?
Sounds like he would have been doing WAY less than the minimum for that to happen.
This touches on a consistent theme with boomers. They are absolute dogshit about communicating expectations. Most of y'all seem to think doing anything less than going above and beyond is somehow entitled, or lazy or whatever.
A lot of y'all say you want a 9-5 employee and then get offended when the employee shows up at 9 and leaves at 5.
This post was edited on 8/20/22 at 12:44 pm
Posted on 8/20/22 at 12:39 pm to JudgeHolden
quote:It isn't about consequences, it's about incentives.
Y’all don’t have enough consequence in your life.
When a farmer raises more animals, a salesman closes more sales, or a plant worker puts in overtime, they see tangible rewards for their work.
When a salaried office worker is told to come in on Saturday to file TPS reports for no additional pay and the only motivating factor is the fear of getting fired, there is no tangible reward for this work.
All of the people in these scenarios are responding logically to their incentives.
Posted on 8/20/22 at 12:39 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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People are quitting to go to jobs where they feel they are fairly compensated. That's exactly how it's supposed to work, what about that is hard to understand?
Read back, baw.
If you don’t like your job or are undercompensated, drag that mother fricker up the day before yesterday. I’ll applaud that.
That’s not quiet quitting.
Posted on 8/20/22 at 12:40 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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who feel undercompensated are adjusting their productivity to the minimum necessary, Its a very low class mentality.
Do you feel the same about companies that pay the bare minimum needed to keep employees from quitting?
Posted on 8/20/22 at 12:41 pm to Chuck Barris
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When a salaried office worker is told to come in on Saturday to file TPS reports for no additional pay and the only motivating factor is the fear of getting fired, there is no tangible reward for this work.
Then the incentive should be for the salaried office worker to find a more valuable skill set.
That isn’t what these boys are doing.
Posted on 8/20/22 at 12:43 pm to JudgeHolden
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That’s not quiet quitting.
That term makes no sense though.
This is clearly talking about salaried workers. They aren't quitting, they're doing what they're being paid to do. It's a two way transaction.
Yes, there are a lot of people out there that just get by, no reasonable person would argue that. But wages have stayed depressed for decades now while productivity and corporate profits have soared. There's very little incentive to put forth extra effort.
Again, it's a two way street. If the employer makes it clear that there is opportunity for advancement and/or more money there will be plenty of people to do the work to earn it.
Posted on 8/20/22 at 12:44 pm to Dawgfanman
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Do you feel the same about companies that pay the bare minimum needed to keep employees from quitting?
No, because as an individual you hold the power over your own earning potential.
Go find another job. Employers can find other workers. I can promise you who'll come out ahead, and its not the worker.
I'm kinda laughing as wages come back down, all the zoomers who sat out the pandemic will now have to accept work for less than they could have a year ago. Those that were already on board are ahead of the game.
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