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Posted on 12/13/17 at 3:14 pm to
Posted by crispyUGA
Upstate SC
Member since Feb 2011
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Posted on 12/13/17 at 3:14 pm to
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if you are really interested (i mean REALLY interested), this podcast is outstanding

PATRICK WYMAN, FALL OF ROME




That Podcast is awesome. Very informative. Listened to it last year.
Posted by Cocotheape
Member since Aug 2015
4242 posts
Posted on 12/13/17 at 3:17 pm to
Rome fell because Italians are trashy
Posted by SCLSUMuddogs
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2010
8600 posts
Posted on 12/13/17 at 3:21 pm to
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that why France and England progressed


England and France would take another 1000 years to reach the level of civilization that Rome held.

Rome had a number of issues that lead to its demise. A bad run of incompetent emperors, failing economy, shrinking military, and most importantly, a lack of focus on the Germanic barbarian tribes that were growing around them.
Posted by The Pirate King
Pangu
Member since May 2014
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Posted on 12/13/17 at 3:24 pm to
Some of the Roman inventions are on par with things that were invented in the 20th century. There was a special on the history channel about it. The most impressive were the inventions using water and thermodynamics to accomplish things they wanted done.
Posted by SCLSUMuddogs
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2010
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Posted on 12/13/17 at 3:24 pm to
Asia and Europe were separated by miles of plains. Nomadic horse archers were all over these plains. It was a bit of a no man's land.

Europe didn't really know much about asia until the Mongol invasions and Marco Polo
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
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Posted on 12/13/17 at 3:28 pm to
According to him England crashed hard, basically abandoning most city centers en masse, and no longer using Latin within 100 years of the Romans leaving.
Posted by geaux88
Northshore, LA
Member since Oct 2003
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Posted on 12/13/17 at 3:30 pm to
Rome fell because they strayed from the foundational principles that made Rome great in the first place, then let itself be infested with fringe whacko leftists and sniveling liberals who were not self sufficient........ oh, you meant ANCIENT Rome.... ok.....
Posted by ZappBrannigan
Member since Jun 2015
7692 posts
Posted on 12/13/17 at 3:31 pm to
It was death by a thousand cuts.

No one thing brought Rome down but you pile own poor leadership, a rogue army, failing birthrates, immigration without integration, loss of control of the expanses, loss of control of trade and it spirals. The Eastern Empire limped on simply because it cut so much fat off.
Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
46755 posts
Posted on 12/13/17 at 3:31 pm to
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Rome fell because they strayed from the foundational principles that made Rome great in the first place, then let itself be infested with fringe whacko leftists and sniveling liberals who were not self sufficient.....


He asked about Ancient Rome, not the current state of the US.
Posted by tketaco
Sunnyside, Houston
Member since Jan 2010
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Posted on 12/13/17 at 3:32 pm to
Globalism.
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
40042 posts
Posted on 12/13/17 at 3:34 pm to
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Europe didn't really know much about asia until the Mongol invasions and Marco Polo



That's not true. There is a lot of evidence that there was a lot of trade and interaction in the West Asian Corridor from a fairly early period. There were also multiple waves of migrations from central Asia. In fact, the source of Indo-European languages is thought to be central Asia, and that migration has given us a language family that stretches from Europe all the way to India.
Posted by LSUJuice
Back in Houston
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Posted on 12/13/17 at 3:34 pm to
I think a better question is why were the middle ages so shitty and devoid of advancement?
Posted by RedPop4
Santiago de Compostela
Member since Jan 2005
15342 posts
Posted on 12/13/17 at 3:35 pm to
That's not actually TOO far off, I know you were going for sarcastic facetiousness. As the years progressed many Romans had a taste for the good life and became reluctant to "work" whatever that meant then.

They got soft, entitled, expecting to live off of the largesse of the empire. They needed slaves and non-citizens to do the "work" as well as serve in the military. Then they were, as mentioned earlier, stretched thin, and unable to contain the forces that came south to invade and plunder.

It's poorly articulated and supported, but I've read these reasons from time-to-time, online.
Posted by Ham And Glass
Member since Nov 2016
1745 posts
Posted on 12/13/17 at 3:39 pm to
Probably didn't help when Titus, son of Vespasian, ravaged a whore in the Holy of Holies, dismantled the Temple, and killed thousands of Jews along the way.

This post was edited on 12/13/17 at 3:41 pm
Posted by SpqrTiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2004
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Posted on 12/13/17 at 3:56 pm to
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I think a better question is why were the middle ages so shitty and devoid of advancement?


It's hard to say what was "shitty" and not, because it was plenty shitty before and after the Middle Ages, which is 476 to 1453AD.

It was shitty because life was hard, and quick. The 14th century alone... yikes.

But it's not to say that the Middle Ages was devoid of innovation or advancement. There was lots of progress. This time period kind of gets a bad rap, because (in my opinion), it's not really studied very intensely anymore in elementary through undergrad, and that leads to misunderstanding.

Think of all the innovations of the Medieval Era: the compass, mechanical mills (windmills, too!), three-field crop rotation, gunpowder, ribbed vault architecture, clocks, movable type, blast furnaces, eyeglasses, looms, glass mirrors, all kinds of stuff. Far from the dead period everyone thinks it is.





Posted by LeMarteau
Hoover, AL (B.R. native)
Member since Mar 2008
2275 posts
Posted on 12/13/17 at 3:58 pm to
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Rome fell due to mass immigration. Not kidding.


This is true. Hadrian's wall was too little, too late.
Posted by Jor Jor The Dinosaur
Chicago, IL
Member since Nov 2014
7581 posts
Posted on 12/13/17 at 4:00 pm to
True, Rome and California weren't built in a day.
Posted by prplhze2000
Parts Unknown
Member since Jan 2007
58882 posts
Posted on 12/13/17 at 4:08 pm to
And Julian was assassinated.
Posted by Athis
I AM Charlie Kirk....
Member since Aug 2016
16930 posts
Posted on 12/13/17 at 4:08 pm to
Like my Grandmother would have said.."Them Degos always stabbing people/each other in the back." She also thought the Asians were sneaky MF's. I would give her a present that was made in Japan and she would throw it away.
Posted by BulldogXero
Member since Oct 2011
10381 posts
Posted on 12/13/17 at 4:17 pm to
Bad leadership, the empire was too large to be properly defended, the army in the last days of the Roman Empire wasn't as skilled, disciplined or as strong as the army at the height of Rome's power and consisted mostly of German mercenaries.
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