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Pilot Of Doomed Amazon Air Flight Had Poor Training Record, Seemed Confused Before Crash
Posted on 12/20/19 at 9:32 am
Posted on 12/20/19 at 9:32 am
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The first officer at the controls of an Amazon Air cargo flight that crashed in Texas in February appeared confused, crying out that the plane had stalled during the final moments and putting it into a steep dive, fact-finding reports released by the U.S. National Transport Safety Board on Thursday suggest, while the captain tried to pull the plane’s nose up.
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The NTSB says that the first officer failed proficiency evaluations during his training at Atlas Air, which operates Amazon Air flights, and at his prior job at Mesa Airlines. He also washed out of training at two other airlines, which he concealed when he applied for work at Atlas, claiming that he had been doing freelance real estate work and taking college classes during that period of time.
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Posted on 12/20/19 at 9:45 am to RedRifle
Feel bad for them. They bust through clouds going that fast pointes straight at the ground. They knew they were goners way before they hit.
Posted on 12/20/19 at 9:48 am to RedRifle
The comments from that clown’s training record are frightening
Posted on 12/20/19 at 9:51 am to jamboybarry
Was the captain fapping in the bathroom or something?
Why was first officer doing all the work?
Why was first officer doing all the work?
Posted on 12/20/19 at 9:52 am to GoHoGsGo06
The fleet has mushroomed since 2010. I bet the majority of the people flying for these carriers are inept
Just look at these two both either were or should have been not flying. And they handed them the keys to a 767.
Thank God they only killed them selves.
Just look at these two both either were or should have been not flying. And they handed them the keys to a 767.
Thank God they only killed them selves.
Posted on 12/20/19 at 9:52 am to Cosmo
I read the article, so I know the answer to your question.
Posted on 12/20/19 at 9:52 am to jamboybarry
quote:exactly, and the captains was kinda sad too
comments from that clown’s training record are frightening
Posted on 12/20/19 at 10:09 am to RedRifle
And the family of the guy who crashed the plane is suing the airline for allowing him to fly and claiming he was overworked and undertrained. Holy shite.
Posted on 12/20/19 at 10:17 am to RedRifle
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In the final moments, Aska says, “Lord, have mercy.” A captain for Mesa Airlines, Sean Archuleta, who was catching a ride in a jump seat, shouts, “pull up,” then Aska says, “Oh, God, Lord, you have my soul.”
sheesh
Posted on 12/20/19 at 10:21 am to RedRifle
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“I’ve never heard of a situation where one pilot was pulling on the yoke and another was pushing on it and they weren’t discussing what they were doing,” he says.
Didn't this happen with the Air France flight that left S. America?
Posted on 12/20/19 at 10:24 am to greenwave
Yes but in a different flight control system
Posted on 12/20/19 at 10:25 am to greenwave
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Didn't this happen with the Air France flight that left S. America?
The F.O. (i believe) was slightly lifting the nose which was causing the stall. Had he simply let go of the joystick they could have recovered (likely).
Posted on 12/20/19 at 10:34 am to dupergreenie
Sucks. Ineffective communication is cause of most mishaps
Posted on 12/20/19 at 10:42 am to RedRifle
It doesn't make me feel good whenever 777 and the other commercial pilots on here are talking to people wanting to get into the industry
"They're desperate, so don't sell yourself short. Try for all the big carriers you really don't need as much experience as you think"
"They're desperate, so don't sell yourself short. Try for all the big carriers you really don't need as much experience as you think"
Posted on 12/20/19 at 10:42 am to Meauxjeaux
Reading articles is for clowns
Posted on 12/20/19 at 10:44 am to greenwave
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Sucks. Ineffective communication is cause of most mishaps
Actually the family may win a lawsuit if they can prove the training wasn't up to par and that he was 'overworked'. Colgan air had a similar issue years ago.
Posted on 12/20/19 at 10:45 am to RedRifle
What did he know about the Clintons?
Posted on 12/20/19 at 11:39 am to RedRifle
quote:He shouldn’t have just not been promoted to captain, he shouldn’t have been anywhere near a cockpit.
Two Mesa captains who evaluated Aska told NTSB that he would get flustered when he encountered unexpected situations in training. Capt. Leigh Lawless said he would “make frantic mistakes,” and would “start pushing a lot of buttons without thinking about what he was pushing.”
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Posted on 12/20/19 at 11:41 am to RedRifle
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crying out that the plane had stalled during the final moments and putting it into a steep dive
Well... at least he kind of knew what to do.
Posted on 12/20/19 at 11:52 am to greenwave
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quote: “I’ve never heard of a situation where one pilot was pulling on the yoke and another was pushing on it and they weren’t discussing what they were doing,” he says.
Didn't this happen with the Air France flight that left S. America?
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In April 2012 in The Daily Telegraph, British journalist Nick Ross published a comparison of Airbus and Boeing flight controls; unlike the control yoke used on Boeing flight decks, the Airbus side stick controls give little visual feedback and no sensory or tactile feedback to the second pilot. The cockpit Synthetic Voice (SV) however does give an aural message 'Dual Control'.[246] Ross reasoned that this might in part explain why the pilot flying's fatal nose-up inputs were not countermanded by his two colleagues.[259][261]
In a July 2012 CBS report, Sullenberger suggested the design of the Airbus cockpit might have been a factor in the accident. The flight controls are not mechanically linked between the two pilot seats, and Robert, the left-seat pilot who believed he had taken over control of the aircraft, was not aware that Bonin continued to hold the stick back, which overrode Robert's own control.
So I guess with 767 the 2 may have known they were trying to direct nose in opposite directions, but with Air France it wasn't as obvious.
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