re: People who live to work

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Yep. I chalk it up as some people have no hobbies or hate their family.

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Once was a time you could make a little bank traveling - not much but it was a nice little addition to your salary. This is not as possible now a days with per diems instead of expense accounts, at least in my experience. I despise traveling for work now....I used to enjoy it but it is a pain in the arse now a days. I feel the same way about almost any travel LOL.....

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Since Covid was your example, think about how much you missed being able to go to a store, a restaurant, to buy something you needed, whether that was a haircut or a Clorox wipe.

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Not the people I think he's referencing. The people who stock your shelves, check you out, bag your groceries, cook your food, pick up your trash, etc. are usually not the ones whose entire career seems to be one big montage of meetings, trips and powerpoints. I know the type and yes, they are very annoying.

I used to be in the corporate world. I came to know all the blowhards and corporate employees/managers who whore themselves out for promotion/recognition instead of just doing their job the best that they can and letting that speak for them. Politicking everywhere. What pissed me off the most in that corporate world, is when you work for several different bosses for years, who have all praised you for your work, and then a superior gets promoted and the transfer guy has insecurities and tells you how you are doing everything wrong, uses the policy manual as a weapon and not a guide, and you get word on the street that the guy did your job horribly while he was in your position.

So glad I got out and now have a business.

I have come to realize that these so called managers I worked with would fail if they had their own business.

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I used to enjoy it but it is a pain in the arse now a days. I feel the same way about almost any travel LOL.....

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Same, business travel is a massive inconvenience to me now that I have young children. Even leisure travel is a pain now and I rather do a one day outing instead of packing for 4 and driving for hours.

I'm fortunate, or narcissistic, enough to be able to sell for a living. In my forties I thought I wanted to manage and spent 10 years in agony.

I dont want to open a business though I dream. Having a business almost assures no work/life balance, but for a fortunate few.

Now in my mid fifties I am back out selling and making more than ever, I am smarter and more experienced so it makes sense. They want us to work 100 hours like the owner but when I can make more than I need and exceed his expectations I feel pretty secure.

Btw: to all corporate suck arse ladder climbers -frick YOUR BITCH arse

I’ve turned down higher paying jobs because they required working nights , weekends and holidays .

I didn’t want to miss my kids growing up and other things.
Not worth it to me .

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Has anyone else gotten to a point in your career where these types annoy you? I understand living to work if you’re the owner of a small business. But I’m talking about middle management and C-suite people at Fortune 500 companies who base their entire identity around their job. They repeatedly spew the same corporate word salad in unison. Lots are wanna be LindedIn influencers.

I admittedly wanted to be one of these types in my early 20’s. However, currently at the age of 35, I’ve gotten to the point where I value time with my wife (no pics) and toddler children over chasing a buck for a shitty corporation.

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i had already gotten to that point somewhat but was still chasing and then my boss who had been with the company 40+ years had a heart attack on the job....they had us taking over his work right away, had him replaced within 2 weeks. Told me everything I needed to know.

your work will replace you and move on. within a year, nobody will remember. But your family will.

I also have never had anyone ever tell me after getting really old...I wish I would have worked more, I have had multiple family members tell me the opposite right before they died.

so frick that. I maximized my per hour money that provides me the least amount of stress. Im not chasing titles anymore.

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instead of just doing their job the best that they can and letting that speak for them. Politicking everywhere

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I used to believe this too. Everyone that politicked is now a partner, and me relying on exemplary work and very happy clients got me FA. I need to buy a carwash or something.

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Just remember, you will never get into the $500k a year range without making it your life. If you have the talent, it’s your choice. I hear people my age nearing retirement always say that they were glad that they got to spend more time with the family but I’m not sure giving up that kind of money is worth the lifestyle that they could have afforded giving their family.

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I understand where you are coming from.

I always felt like my primary responsibility was to provide for my family. Even at the expense of me spending more time with them. In other words, it wasn't about me or what I wanted or what I would prefer doing with my time, it was about sacrificing for them.

But, I also understand that there's a cost for that. (There's a cost for any choice).

My children still to this day do not reach out to share or communicate with me like they do my wife, and it's because she was around when they were little and I was not most of the time. I was building my business back then working 70 hour weeks.

It was what was best for them b/c it allowed my wife to stay home with them (she has since slowly worked into working full time again, starting part time when our younger child began going to school and working into full time over a period of 5-6 years as they got older and needed her less) and I would probably do the same thing if I had it to do over, but I do recognize that there is a cost to me.

I also have never worked in a corporate environment. I have always owned my own small business. I'm sure that changes things as well.

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Those same people may see their life as a sacrifice to ensure their kids/grandkids have a better start.

Getting out of family/generational ruts takes sacrifice on someone’s part.

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This.

That was/is me.