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re: Part of the new Hard Rock Hotel collapses (NOLA) 3 dead, Cranes Down-ish

Posted on 10/16/19 at 5:58 pm to
Posted by skidry
Member since Jul 2009
3579 posts
Posted on 10/16/19 at 5:58 pm to
Anyone know who the concrete supplier was?
Posted by xXLSUXx
New Orleans, LA
Member since Oct 2010
10614 posts
Posted on 10/16/19 at 6:02 pm to
Death toll officially raised to 3. Rescue operation changed to recovery operation.
Posted by Bazzatcha
Member since May 2017
973 posts
Posted on 10/16/19 at 6:03 pm to
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You are correct. IF they used the deck you linked to. The drawings call out a deck that is rated to span 25’.


Decking spec used

page 20 correct. I don't see how it meets spec.
Posted by Martini
Near Athens
Member since Mar 2005
49661 posts
Posted on 10/16/19 at 6:03 pm to
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If true this has to be the most stupid design ever.

Hold the building up with shores until you infill the metal stud walls that are load bearing?



And that just brought the drywall contractor into a liability position. Jesus this just gets more bizarre by the minute.
Posted by fightin tigers
Downtown Prairieville
Member since Mar 2008
78467 posts
Posted on 10/16/19 at 6:03 pm to
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The dude's kid who said the building was bulging? Don't think he made that one up, champ.


Oh no, the design of the building definitely made it look like it was bulging already. I believe the kid would have said that.

I am more poking at the kid said the floors were sagging or "bulging down" now when the other day the building was bulging out. Just entertaining.

Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
41099 posts
Posted on 10/16/19 at 6:08 pm to
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As for wicked, it’s shut down too. Can’t get all its equipment out the saenger Unless it can get an identical set to replace its out of business too


Oh shite. Didn't think about that.

They were supposed to be here until Oct 20

Then:

Oct 23 - Nov 17 - Atlanta
Nov 20 - Dec 1 - Jacksonville
Dec 4 - Dec 29 - St. Louis
Jan 1 - Jan 19 - Little Rock
Jan 22 - Feb 9 - Columbia, SC
Feb 12 - March 8 - Baltimore

I doubt they can pack up, pack out, ship in their 18 wheelers, unpack, set up, test, and go live in that short of a period of time.

So, I'm guessing they must have 2 sets.

So, Atlanta will be fine. However, if they can't get the set out of New Orleans in the next couple of weeks, Jacksonville may have issues.



Posted by Covingtontiger77
Member since Dec 2015
12177 posts
Posted on 10/16/19 at 6:09 pm to
With regard to a performance bond being in place on this project, i would say chances are there was NOT one.


The GC, Citadel, was also a part owner. Thus, it would seems logical that the majority owner, Kailas, would not require a performance bond from one of its other co-owners as the GC has a vested interest in completing the project.

Also, as it wasn’t a public job there would be no performance bond required by any municipality.


Posted by Monday
Prairieville
Member since Mar 2013
5198 posts
Posted on 10/16/19 at 6:16 pm to
You'd be surprised what those crews can do. They are paid to do exactly what you are saying you doubt. The sets are meant to be able to travel. Now packing up the Broadway set would take a much bigger effort.

ETA: Meant to add that they most probably have back up sets and could use one for the future if NOLA continues to be out of service
This post was edited on 10/16/19 at 6:17 pm
Posted by civiltiger07
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2011
15076 posts
Posted on 10/16/19 at 6:21 pm to
How in the world would the drywall contractor be implicated in this? They weren’t even close to having drywall shipped to the site for the hotel levels.
Posted by Napoleon
Kenna
Member since Dec 2007
74317 posts
Posted on 10/16/19 at 6:24 pm to
Bands take down more intricate sets and have them back up the next day. You can do a lot with a good road crew.

Posted by TigerstuckinMS
Member since Nov 2005
33687 posts
Posted on 10/16/19 at 6:24 pm to
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How in the world would the drywall contractor be implicated in this? They weren’t even close to having drywall shipped to the site for the hotel levels.

I guess it depends on who was supposed to be installing those metal stud walls and when if they really were trying some novel design to use them as load bearing walls.

It seems a bit strange, to be honest. You put up the load bearing members after you put the load in place?
This post was edited on 10/16/19 at 6:27 pm
Posted by notiger1997
Metairie
Member since May 2009
61723 posts
Posted on 10/16/19 at 6:25 pm to
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How in the world would the drywall contractor be implicated in this?


I think pretty much this whole thread is just people throwing stupid crap out there to see what may eventually stick so they can come back later and look like an expert.
Posted by nuwaydawg
Member since Nov 2007
2274 posts
Posted on 10/16/19 at 6:27 pm to
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How in the world would the drywall contractor be implicated in this? They weren’t even close to having drywall shipped to the site for the hotel levels.


The sheet rock tape was factored into the strength/stability of the build.
Posted by TigerstuckinMS
Member since Nov 2005
33687 posts
Posted on 10/16/19 at 6:28 pm to
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The sheet rock tape was factored into the strength/stability of the build.

Posted by civiltiger07
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2011
15076 posts
Posted on 10/16/19 at 6:28 pm to
The deck was designed to span 25’+ feet when cured. However they had to shore the span at a maximum 7’-3” spacing. I think the load baring wall think is a case of stories getting crossed as they go from one ear to the other.
This post was edited on 10/16/19 at 6:30 pm
Posted by TigerstuckinMS
Member since Nov 2005
33687 posts
Posted on 10/16/19 at 6:30 pm to
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I think the load baring wall think is a case of stories getting crossed as they go from one ear to the other.

Posted by I B Freeman
Member since Oct 2009
27843 posts
Posted on 10/16/19 at 6:37 pm to
Don't you think they will eventually tear down somehow what is still standing and start over??
Posted by USMEagles
Member since Jan 2018
11811 posts
Posted on 10/16/19 at 6:54 pm to
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And we'd still ignore your troll arse.


That's a statement that contradicts itself.

Please do keep explaining the greatness of the Hard Rock Hotel's innovative tin pan structural design to the rest of us, though (since your grasp of the obvious is apparently pretty tenuous).
Posted by Martini
Near Athens
Member since Mar 2005
49661 posts
Posted on 10/16/19 at 7:29 pm to
quote:

How in the world would the drywall contractor be implicated in this? They weren’t even close to having drywall shipped to the site for the hotel levels.



The drywall contractor is also the metal stud contractor and if they asked him to provide load bearing walls he had to submit shop drawings. So while he’s close to the bottom of the totem pole if that is in fact true he just got brought into it and instead of just sitting and hoping to get a little of the money owed he’ll now have to hire an attorney to represent him.
Posted by civiltiger07
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2011
15076 posts
Posted on 10/16/19 at 7:31 pm to
It’s not true
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