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re: Part of the new Hard Rock Hotel collapses (NOLA) 3 dead, Cranes Down-ish
Posted on 10/16/19 at 3:46 pm to Napoleon
Posted on 10/16/19 at 3:46 pm to Napoleon
So looking at the video, there are no trusses at all installed. That alone will make decking deflect when concrete is poured onto it. That can’t be right.
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Posted on 10/16/19 at 3:46 pm to Ben Hur
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They'll be out on St. Charles with spray paint next week.
They'll be a week late. I've got 2 blocks spoken for.
Posted on 10/16/19 at 3:48 pm to civiltiger07
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This picture just looks like someone left out some beams in between the main columns.
After finding the drawings, the form deck that was capable of spanning 25'. However, the deck has to be shored every 7'-3" during construction. It doesn't look like the deck was shored every 7'-3". This should turn into a good old fashioned pissing match.
Posted on 10/16/19 at 3:51 pm to Stexas
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The 500 ton units can get way up there for sure. But Deep South or Mammoet would more than likely be a call before Turner. The guys that run the equipment group are some of the most genuine and generous folks you’ll ever meet.
Yeah I see those two. I just used Turner because I know they have those big Demags.
Posted on 10/16/19 at 3:54 pm to beauchristopher
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One of the people missing is an ex husband of my Aunt's friend's daughter.
They gave my aunt a free cruise trip since they won't be using it any more.
Pics of Aunt?
Posted on 10/16/19 at 3:56 pm to Martini
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Pics of Aunt?
Take your awkward creepiness somewhere else.
Posted on 10/16/19 at 3:59 pm to Paul Allen
You guys are jumping off the deep end in here with some of the speculation. It’s a mess but let’s hold off on where Endymion is running and the taxpayers footing the bill for the saenger. Good lord 
Posted on 10/16/19 at 4:01 pm to civiltiger07
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After finding the drawings, the form deck that was capable of spanning 25'. However, the deck has to be shored every 7'-3" during construction. It doesn't look like the deck was shored every 7'-3". This should turn into a good old fashioned pissing match.
Then you have timing and sequence on installation and removal of the shores and reshores. I'm assuming the shoring and re-shoring was designed by another party. Who placed the shores? Who was in charge of inspecting them prior to pouring? Who was responsible for approving the shoring on subsequent pours were being removed. If you don't remove the shores the load keeps being transferred through the building.
In other words....it'll be a cluster frick with a shite ton of discovery and multiple parties involved.
Posted on 10/16/19 at 4:02 pm to LSUFanHouston
The Plaza Tower has been completely re-mediated by one of the lenders on the project when a previous owner defaulted. the issues with the building are primarily structural not environmental.
Posted on 10/16/19 at 4:06 pm to fightin tigers
link is limited to architect drawing 224 pages. structural drawings are referenced but not in package. would have been nice to see notes on first page of structural set
Posted on 10/16/19 at 4:08 pm to Trevaylin
Posted on 10/16/19 at 4:12 pm to DandyPimp
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The Plaza Tower has been completely re-mediated by one of the lenders on the project when a previous owner defaulted. the issues with the building are primarily structural not environmental.
I get the structural, but if the building was completely re-mediated, what environmental issues are still there?
Do those environmental issues preclude demolition? You would think that spot has to be worth more empty than with the building on it.
EDIT: misread your post... you said NOT environmental and I read it as AND environmental.
This post was edited on 10/16/19 at 4:20 pm
Posted on 10/16/19 at 4:15 pm to LSUFanHouston
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I get the structural, but if the building was completely re-mediated, what environmental issues are still there?
If the building has been completely remediated / abated there should be no environmental issues.
Posted on 10/16/19 at 4:15 pm to DandyPimp
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The Plaza Tower has been completely re-mediated by one of the lenders on the project when a previous owner defaulted. the issues with the building are primarily structural not environmental.
Cool. Didn't know that project made it to completion.
Posted on 10/16/19 at 4:16 pm to Trevaylin
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looking at the web pages for the architect and construction, they are pretty small outfits. I will guess that the bid package for the structural steel has a comment, "structure design by supplier". the documentation provided by the steel supplier has notes to the effect"drawing are generic for assembly use, loading design by owner".
quite possible there is no load design for the structure
This isn’t some pre-engineered metal warehouse.
Posted on 10/16/19 at 4:19 pm to LSUFanHouston
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I do wonder how the winds act in that area, considering the tall buildings along Canal to Poydras, and the shorter buildings from Canal into the quarter, will act on this building, which is right at the border of those two areas.
Maybe one of the OT weather experts can chime in.
Posted on 10/16/19 at 4:21 pm to LSUFanHouston
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What happens here when no entity involved in this actually has the assets to fix it? It’s sort of an interesting quandary we may have ourselves in with this debacle.
On this build, I don't know. Going forward, maybe bond requirements need to be significantly raised to ensure someone / their insurer has enough capacity to handle "worst-case scenerio"? City doesn't issue permits until that is confirmed.
That is already required. The Bonding company should step in and then it will mitigate to all involved GL and Builders Risk policies.
Now that will be done through all the attorneys involved and will take forever but by and large that is how it normally would work out. The City will try to recover it’s cleanup and rescue expenses as well but in the end everyone is going to lose no matter how it turns out.
Posted on 10/16/19 at 4:25 pm to MrLarson
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I was talking to the owner of a company that had bid the buck hoist on that job and he was so glad they didn't get it. His takeaway was interesting.
1. Hard Rock will send a letter that they can't take over the property. This will start the snowball.
2. The bond will no longer be good so there will be no money there.
3. This will all fall on Citadel's liability policy and that is where everyone is going to get shafted. This will be considered a single occurrence accident and that is all the insurers are going to pay out. Anyone have a copy of Citadel's certificate of liability?
The city will end up having to foot the bill on most of this in the end.
Citadel has the bond on the building not Hard Rock and there will be multiple companies and designers that will have liability.
Posted on 10/16/19 at 4:30 pm to civiltiger07
A lot more framing on the 14th floor compared to the 9th -13th. 25 x 39 slab is a hell of a 5-1/2" slab without additional framing. Driveways poured on the ground are 5-1/2" thick much less spanning 25' with a scissor lift on top.
This post was edited on 10/16/19 at 4:36 pm
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