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re: Part of the new Hard Rock Hotel collapses (NOLA) 3 dead, Cranes Down-ish
Posted on 10/16/19 at 2:43 pm to MrLSU
Posted on 10/16/19 at 2:43 pm to MrLSU
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David Hammer has spoken to over 1/2 dozen people working on the project and they all expressed concern with the project. Great video report by the Hammer
I've only done industrial work, but every single project is filled with craft guys that believe the engineer doesn't know shite and the whole thing is going to fall down.
Not saying that is the case here or that there weren't legitimate concerns, but every hand stating they knew it was going to fall after it fell doesn't exactly show me a smoking gun.
Fyi, link to all the drawings if anyone wants to kill a few hours.
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This post was edited on 10/16/19 at 2:44 pm
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Posted on 10/16/19 at 2:45 pm to LSUFanHouston
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So they know where they are and can get close enough to swab / inject them... but can't get the bodies out?
wonder if its easier to build some sort of shelter over the bodies so they can demo rest of building
Posted on 10/16/19 at 2:47 pm to LCA131
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All I can see is that unit of lumber sitting on top of that generator looking thing...
Shows how bad the floor was sagging.
Posted on 10/16/19 at 2:48 pm to fightin tigers
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every single project is filled with craft guys that believe the engineer doesn't know shite and the whole thing is going to fall down.
Posted on 10/16/19 at 2:49 pm to TigerNlc
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Shows how bad the floor was sagging.
It looks like there is some sort of metal support about 3/4 way down the stack.
This would be down on the parking structure levels since it appears to be the only post tension slabs in the building. Those levels all appear to still be fine.
Posted on 10/16/19 at 2:51 pm to fightin tigers
Story today with video in Spanish (subtitled) showing bending supports and dips in the floor.
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advocate link
This post was edited on 10/16/19 at 2:53 pm
Posted on 10/16/19 at 2:51 pm to cgrand
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every single project is filled with craft guys that believe the engineer doesn't know shite and the whole thing is going to fall down.
And now each one here thinks they're forever validated.
Posted on 10/16/19 at 2:53 pm to Mr Perfect
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if you don't know anything about the area please stop commenting
Well I know lots about the area so there’s that.
This post was edited on 10/16/19 at 2:54 pm
Posted on 10/16/19 at 2:53 pm to Y.A. Tittle
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And now each one here thinks they're forever validated.
If you want some entertainment, try to find the TD thread where they were removing the Robert E Lee thread.
Was filled with experts that said the crane was definitely going to topple over and that in no way was the system they used going to work.
The statue is on the ground and nothing went wrong.
Posted on 10/16/19 at 2:55 pm to fightin tigers
I wasn't referring to the board by "here" - I meant on this project. But, yeah, point taken.
Posted on 10/16/19 at 2:56 pm to fightin tigers
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It looks like there is some sort of metal support about 3/4 way down the stack. This would be down on the parking structure levels since it appears to be the only post tension slabs in the building. Those levels all appear to still be fine.
Don't make me flex my engineering muscle bro.
Because I don't have one.
Posted on 10/16/19 at 3:00 pm to Zach Lee To Amp Hill
We say that, but Loyola and Howard is a hot area for condos. Yet the abandoned skyscraper still languishes there.
I was going to use the State palace ad an example but yesterday they announced plans for that site.
I was going to use the State palace ad an example but yesterday they announced plans for that site.
This post was edited on 10/16/19 at 3:01 pm
Posted on 10/16/19 at 3:01 pm to TigerNlc
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Don't make me flex my engineering muscle bro.
Neither do I. Was just pointing that out.
I like reading the back and forth in the thread about potential things to listen for in the future.
This post was edited on 10/16/19 at 3:04 pm
Posted on 10/16/19 at 3:03 pm to Napoleon
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We say that, but Loyola and Howard is a hot area for condos. Yet the abandoned skyscraper still languishes there.
Asbestos and rehabilitation are going to be far more than what can be recovered at this point.
I am always shocked at how small the footprint of Plaza is.
Posted on 10/16/19 at 3:07 pm to fightin tigers
What really blew me away was when I visited the 9/11 memorial earlier this year. They have infinity waterfalls into holes in the exact spot the towers were same footprint. They were really small footprints for 100+ story buildings. Maybe smaller than the plaza footprint.
Blew my mind.
Blew my mind.
Posted on 10/16/19 at 3:08 pm to TigerNlc
Here is my perspective that is going to play out with this clusterfrick of a project.
This disaster will paralyze this part of the city for the next three to four years. Before ANYTHING happens for cleaning up the site, it will be tied up for at least the next twelve months with preliminary investigations from OSHA and expert witnesses from all opposing parties before ANYTHING on the scene will be changed or even moved except whatever immediate safety concerns need to be addressed.
The area is likely to remain a disaster site for many months to come because it has to be preserved for evidence. Businesses around it, including the Saenger, will close because they cannot be open. There will be no access to this area and as a result the Saenger will be shut down for at least the next year.
The city of New Orleans has no say in this. There will be no demolition until all experts have done their painstaking investigation. No evidence will be moved. It could take at least one year. And then what’s left has to be carefully removed. And that process won’t start until months after the investigation which won’t start until weeks after deemed safe which won’t be until many weeks from now, regardless of bodies recovered.
THEN...after at least one year passes, a complete take down and dismantle of everything already built will need to occur. Hard Rock will officially decide to bail on the project leaving a gaping pile of rubble. Even if Hard Rock continues to keep its name on the project, it will be well over several years from beginning construction to open anything.
It may be in the best case scenario be five years litigating in court before fault is determined and assessed in the first case.
This disaster will paralyze this part of the city for the next three to four years. Before ANYTHING happens for cleaning up the site, it will be tied up for at least the next twelve months with preliminary investigations from OSHA and expert witnesses from all opposing parties before ANYTHING on the scene will be changed or even moved except whatever immediate safety concerns need to be addressed.
The area is likely to remain a disaster site for many months to come because it has to be preserved for evidence. Businesses around it, including the Saenger, will close because they cannot be open. There will be no access to this area and as a result the Saenger will be shut down for at least the next year.
The city of New Orleans has no say in this. There will be no demolition until all experts have done their painstaking investigation. No evidence will be moved. It could take at least one year. And then what’s left has to be carefully removed. And that process won’t start until months after the investigation which won’t start until weeks after deemed safe which won’t be until many weeks from now, regardless of bodies recovered.
THEN...after at least one year passes, a complete take down and dismantle of everything already built will need to occur. Hard Rock will officially decide to bail on the project leaving a gaping pile of rubble. Even if Hard Rock continues to keep its name on the project, it will be well over several years from beginning construction to open anything.
It may be in the best case scenario be five years litigating in court before fault is determined and assessed in the first case.
Posted on 10/16/19 at 3:10 pm to Napoleon
The 9/11 memorial fountains are smaller than actual footprints.
Posted on 10/16/19 at 3:11 pm to Napoleon
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What really blew me away was when I visited the 9/11 memorial earlier this year. They have infinity waterfalls into holes in the exact spot the towers were same footprint. They were really small footprints for 100+ story buildings. Maybe smaller than the plaza footprint.
Blew my mind.
I actually asked a guide about this when i visited. The fountains are about 1/2 - 2/3 the size of the original base. So the fountains are a little smaller.
Posted on 10/16/19 at 3:11 pm to TigerstuckinMS
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That's what I'm wondering. It looks like something went very much bad there, but what about that picture tells us it's connected in any way to this project?
Tells us nothing. That is a PT blowout that commonly happens on PT projects. It’s a fairly easy fix. It could come from improper engineering, improper PT, improper rebar placement or poor consolidation of the concrete during the pour. Not a big deal.
Posted on 10/16/19 at 3:20 pm to dfintlyHmmrd
My guide lied to me......
That makes sense.
That makes sense.
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