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re: Parenting question - 4 year old

Posted on 2/9/22 at 7:08 am to
Posted by tiger rag 93
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Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 2/9/22 at 7:08 am to
Didn’t realize so many people gave kids melatonin. Kids don’t need melatonin. They need better sleep hygiene and bedtime routines.
Posted by rusty547
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2014
203 posts
Posted on 2/9/22 at 7:08 am to
Melatonin gummies near bed time works wonders. Amazons alexa has a kids version that can play a small library of nighttime stories for them to listen to also. Good luck the fight can be hard at times, but remember thier still little.
Posted by sonoma8
Member since Oct 2006
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Posted on 2/9/22 at 7:08 am to
Pics of wife?
Posted by SixthAndBarone
Member since Jan 2019
8212 posts
Posted on 2/9/22 at 7:10 am to
The fact that you can lock her door from the outside is disturbing.

But yes, you put your foot down and let them cry. That’s how it works. Not sure about locking the door though.
Posted by TigrrrDad
Member since Oct 2016
7119 posts
Posted on 2/9/22 at 7:12 am to
Had a similar issue with my son sleeping in our bed (he was around 3 or 4). We saw a child psychologist, and he recommended gradually moving him to his own room (sleep on the floor in a sleeping bag next to our bed, then farther away, etc.). But when it reached the stage of putting him in his own bed, the child psychologist said to lock our bedroom door and do not let him in - he said if we were ready to cave, we could even call him in the middle of the night and he’d talk us out of relenting.

The first night we put him in his own room and locked our door, he screamed, cried, and beat on our door until he literally had a nose bleed. We opened the door to clean him up, but then locked him out again. It worked. Within a few nights he was sleeping in his own room with no problems.
Posted by jscrims
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Member since May 2008
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Posted on 2/9/22 at 7:14 am to
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The fact that you can lock her door from the outside is disturbing


I was waiting for someone to comment on that. I turned the door knob around because she would play in her room and lock the door. This way she can’t lock the door if she is in her room.

It is weird. My 7 and 6 year old are great but my 4 year old is a monster. I’m terrified for the teenage years.
Posted by Havoc
Member since Nov 2015
28402 posts
Posted on 2/9/22 at 7:15 am to
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My wife was mortified. She thought I was being too mean and she is going to hate me and have daddy issues.

Prayers sent, you married a moron.
Enforcing rules isn’t being mean.
She will hate you regardless.
Daddy issues are almost always from daddy being absent, indifferent or dysfunctional.
Posted by LSUweights
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2014
3545 posts
Posted on 2/9/22 at 7:16 am to
I have a 4 year old also
I had the same battle when he was 3
I agree with what you did, and also with what other posters are saying... you have to establish a routine.
My son knows at 7pm, bath, then brush his teeth, then relax time with story or cartoons, then bed

Now I have started all over again, with a 13 week old puppy.
I am trying to train the puppy the same as my son

Good Luck!!
Posted by The Third Leg
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Member since May 2014
10052 posts
Posted on 2/9/22 at 7:17 am to
Your wife is a fool. 2 hour fight for bed is some bitch-made shite.

The kid is seeking to understand boundaries and rules—kids don’t want them, they need them.
Posted by BoogaBear
Member since Jul 2013
5572 posts
Posted on 2/9/22 at 7:21 am to
quote:

understand boundaries


For my 5 year old, it's this and she's trying to get a win somewhere. She constantly would come out of her room and try to sneak in and watch TV while me and wife were watching.

"I just want some water"
"I just want a hug"

All the excuses in the world to not go to bed, we structured it so she can get a "win" within our boundaries.

Now we do our normal routine and she is the type of kid that has to wind down. So she lays in bed, winds down, comes downstairs gives the dogs a hug, then she's off to bed and asleep.
Posted by Triple Bogey
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Member since May 2017
5985 posts
Posted on 2/9/22 at 7:24 am to
No, it’s not wrong. You’ll feel bad but I used to do this same thing with my 2 year old. Everybody sleeps better now, including him.

My 5 y/o has always been pretty good sleeping until she gets a “nightmare” and comes barreling in to our room
Posted by go_tigres
Member since Sep 2013
5160 posts
Posted on 2/9/22 at 7:28 am to
You had to do a hard reset to get her to understand the real expectations. We, as parents, set a rule then, I no matter how well intentioned, start to relax them. Every now and then you have to re-establish the expectation.

Did you go a little overboard, maybe, but I’ve done the same thing many times. I’ve locked my oldest two out of the house because I wanted them to play outside instead of being cooped up in the house.

Posted by member12
Bob's Country Bunker
Member since May 2008
32096 posts
Posted on 2/9/22 at 7:29 am to
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Question for the OT parents. My 4 year old has been refusing to go to bed and fights us for about 2 hours. It isn’t every night but it came to a head last night and I finally told my wife to let me handle it. I took my daughter and put her in her room and locked the door from the outside. I let her scream and kick and cry and after about 10-15 minutes, she passed out on her floor. Once she was asleep, I went in and put her in her bed and she didn’t come down until the morning.


My toddler did this. She would scream if we left the room. And after we tuck her in, she would watch to make sure we didn’t leave the room. My wife was burning an hour just to try to get her to sleep.

So one night at bedtime I read her a story like usual, I rocked her to sleep, and I put her in her crib. Instead of waiting for her to sleep, I kissed her good night and quietly left the room. When I left the room she freaked out. I went in every 5 minutes to check on her so she knows we were close, but but I did not take her from the crib to rock her again. She feel asleep after about 5-6 minutes of sobbing.

The first night was hard but now she falls asleep much faster and sleeps through the night unless there is a storm. She usually falls asleep very easily now. And sleeps until about 5:30 or 6:00. Sometimes she even sleeps in long enough for me to do a few chores before she wakes up.

Honestly the first night was harder for me than it probably was for her. I hate it when she’s upset and I spoil her. But I am glad we got on a better schedule.
This post was edited on 2/9/22 at 7:30 am
Posted by Clark W Griswold
THE USA
Member since Sep 2012
10510 posts
Posted on 2/9/22 at 7:30 am to
Your daughter is seeing how far she can push you. If you let her it will only get worse. You can be firm and still show love but she needs to know you are the boss. Fun fact, she won’t remember being 4.
Posted by squid_hunt
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Member since Jan 2021
11272 posts
Posted on 2/9/22 at 7:33 am to
I think what you did was just fine. I would supplement it with a routine that you stick to every night. At X time, you go to the bathroom, brush your teeth, we read a book (or whatever calming activity, you get your drink, your kiss and hug, we tuck you in. Good night!

If you start trying to placate her throwing tantrums, you're going to be doing it for the rest of her life. She needs to learn to control herself.

I would also whip a child that was kicking and screaming, but most people aren't comfortable with that anymore, especially girls.
Posted by WigSplitta22
The Bottom
Member since Apr 2014
1484 posts
Posted on 2/9/22 at 7:35 am to
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My 4 year old has been refusing to go to bed and fights us for about 2 hours



Imagine having twin girls that do this every night because they want to play until the sun comes up
Posted by WigSplitta22
The Bottom
Member since Apr 2014
1484 posts
Posted on 2/9/22 at 7:36 am to
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Does she attend daycare? Tell them to cut the nap out.





Oh you want the daycare to just let his child roam free and not say a word while all the other kids sleep? Are you high already ?
Posted by TheRouxGuru
Member since Nov 2019
8289 posts
Posted on 2/9/22 at 7:37 am to
Women these days are so damn worried about their wittle walking facebook posts being uncomfortable that they forget how to parent

This whole ‘never letting your baby cry’ bullshite has got to stop

The best way for a baby to become sleepy is for them to cry, so at the end of the day, if they aren’t ready for bed, put them down in it and let them wail away (supervised remotely of course)

After awhile, go comfort them, and let them go to sleep. Works better than melatonin
Posted by Displaced
Member since Dec 2011
32712 posts
Posted on 2/9/22 at 7:40 am to
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Oh you want the daycare to just let his child roam free and not say a word while all the other kids sleep?

Or, you know, give them books during nap time

That's what ours does. My 4 year olds preschool teacher said only half of the kids nap at this age.
Posted by squid_hunt
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2021
11272 posts
Posted on 2/9/22 at 7:42 am to
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their wittle walking facebook posts

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