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re: Oregon just re-criminalized drug possession and use
Posted on 4/5/24 at 10:33 am to tsmi136
Posted on 4/5/24 at 10:33 am to tsmi136
Washington State is going to be the last remaining poster child for incredibly failed "progressive" policies:
Defund the police still
Encouragement of open air drug markets
Encouragement and embracing of far left groups like Antifa
Policies that encourage homelessness, er...unhousedness
State mandated curricula to teach LGBTQ+ perspectives and experiences of historically marginalized groups
Abolishing advanced placement classes in public schools because you know, equity (it's only fair if everyone is dumb)
No bar exam requirement for attorneys (EQUITY!!)
on and on and on........
Defund the police still
Encouragement of open air drug markets
Encouragement and embracing of far left groups like Antifa
Policies that encourage homelessness, er...unhousedness
State mandated curricula to teach LGBTQ+ perspectives and experiences of historically marginalized groups
Abolishing advanced placement classes in public schools because you know, equity (it's only fair if everyone is dumb)
No bar exam requirement for attorneys (EQUITY!!)
on and on and on........
This post was edited on 4/5/24 at 10:34 am
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Posted on 4/5/24 at 10:46 am to Corinthians420
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marijuana shouldn't be criminalized. but shite like OxyContin should be heavily regulated and illegal to possess without a prescription (and also prescriptions should be monitored closely)
In Alabama, prescriptions are monitored. My wife writes them and gets a report on how many painkillers she's prescribed. She can also access the database that shows how many pills patients are getting from various doctors etc.
This post was edited on 4/5/24 at 10:47 am
Posted on 4/5/24 at 10:48 am to tsmi136
This is a completely a-hole and likely unpopular take, but if they really want to end the problem, take away the Narcan. Darwin will sort em out.
Posted on 4/5/24 at 10:52 am to SlowFlowPro
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Well how do you propose creating a path for them to stop using other than treatment?
1) Continue to offer treatment, I never suggested taking that away
2) Don't condone it in the first place
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We know after 50+ years of the WOD that jail does not work for this goal.
It works for preventing people committing crimes as a result of doing or selling drugs from harming others. Offer them treamtent in jail.
This post was edited on 4/5/24 at 10:52 am
Posted on 4/5/24 at 10:52 am to GreatLakesTiger24
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me too. also i was like 19 when i felt this way so i'll use that as an excuse.
Arguably, Oregon did two things here.
1) they decriminalized
2) they stopped enforcing a bunch of other laws regardless vagrancy, public decency, and the like.
You don't necessarily have to do #2 after allowing #1. There's no reason for that to be a package deal.
Consider smoking.
It's allowed legally
It's not allowed everywhere you go. The drug users had more leeway than smokers
Posted on 4/5/24 at 10:56 am to Dadren
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In other words, it wasn’t the fact that encouraging drug use elevated crime and homelessness, it was just the right wing’s perception that caused decriminalization to fail.
This is yet another example that even when confronted with the results of their terrible beliefs and policies, these people will never admit they were stupid to begin with. It will always be conservatives fault. The only thing we can do at this point is ensure they stay put and don't spread out to red states.
This post was edited on 4/5/24 at 10:57 am
Posted on 4/5/24 at 10:57 am to tsmi136
Decriminalization is just a shitty half measure, which keeps all of the bad parts of drugs but gets none of the good with legalization.
It’s worse than both full prohibition and full legalization.
It’s worse than both full prohibition and full legalization.
Posted on 4/5/24 at 11:00 am to tsmi136
Singapore seems to have their drug problem under control.
Posted on 4/5/24 at 11:02 am to genuineLSUtiger
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The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
I genuinely think that a majority of dem voters have good intentions but that small percentage that knows what will happen next and refuse to speak out are dastardly evil.
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Singapore seems to have their drug problem under control.
Bleeding hearts are usually chastising that approach, I like the approach of taking away Narcan.
This post was edited on 4/5/24 at 11:05 am
Posted on 4/5/24 at 11:10 am to tsmi136
Weed or drugs in general? If it's shite like heroin, this is a really bad idea. Weed? I mean have you been outside lately? No one cares anymore.
Posted on 4/5/24 at 11:18 am to Teddy Ruxpin
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Arguably, Oregon did two things here.
1) they decriminalized
2) they stopped enforcing a bunch of other laws regardless vagrancy, public decency, and the like.
You don't necessarily have to do #2 after allowing #1. There's no reason for that to be a package deal.
This. And 3) they didn't implement improved access to treatment, and hell id even be in favor of enforcing treatment.
LINK
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As of a March 2019 report — prior to Measure 110 — there were 13 withdrawal management facilities licensed with the Oregon Health Authority, for a total of 201 beds. Those facilities were located in just nine of Oregon's 36 counties.
That's just sad. 13 facilities for the entire state. Hell NELA probably has at least that (plus a thriving recovery community) and plenty of sober houses. Simply decriminalizing without offering access to treatment and on top of that stopping enforcement of other laws is a recipe for disaster that anyone should have been able to see coming
Posted on 4/5/24 at 11:21 am to DavidTheGnome
They tried to thoughtfully implement this about as hard as OJ did to fit his hand inside the bloody glove.
Posted on 4/5/24 at 11:25 am to tsmi136
If only the scourge of filthy, disease-ridden, homeless scum of the earth druggies had used their H, Fent, and Oxy more responsibly Oregon could have been a utopian Hamsterdam. A damn shame that these moralists have decided to hold up progress.
This post was edited on 4/5/24 at 11:26 am
Posted on 4/5/24 at 11:27 am to kingbob
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It is my opinion that the issue here wasn’t the lack of enforcement of drug prohibition but the lack of enforcing all of the other laws that vagrant druggies were committing like burglary, vandalism, trespassing, assault, battery, public urination, armed robbery, etc. If they actually enforced basic laws to keep violent vagrants off the streets, then the drug use wouldn’t be as big of an issue.
bingo.
Posted on 4/5/24 at 11:28 am to tsmi136
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self-control is necessary
What does the government have to do with self control?
Posted on 4/5/24 at 11:46 am to baldona
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This is the classic chicken or the egg argument.
If they weren’t on hard drugs, would some of the other crimes not be prevented also? They are committing crimes to buy more drugs?
If only we had a historical textbook case (alcohol) to use as an example.
Cities were plagued by violence in the prohibition days.
Now, alcohol certainly causes problems, but no one is robbing or killing over alcohol. It’s legal and cheap.
Posted on 4/5/24 at 11:48 am to OldmanBeasley
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Singapore seems to have their drug problem under control.
Can you share their secret for success?
Please don't leave us hangin'!
Posted on 4/5/24 at 11:54 am to 3deadtrolls
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This is a completely a-hole and likely unpopular take, but if they really want to end the problem, take away the Narcan.
A brief decade of removing all moral supports for drug addicts, criminals, and welfare kings/queens will be painful but revolutionary.
Posted on 4/5/24 at 6:33 pm to SlowFlowPro
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You're paying for jails, too, brother.
Good point
Posted on 4/5/24 at 6:41 pm to 3deadtrolls
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but if they really want to end the problem, take away the Narcan
I’ve posted that in about 20 different threads.
There’s junkies out there who have been saved by Narcan a half-dozen time. Sometimes more.
For what?
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