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re: Oregon just re-criminalized drug possession and use
Posted on 4/5/24 at 9:17 pm to tsmi136
Posted on 4/5/24 at 9:17 pm to tsmi136
This was discussed heavily about a month ago, so I’ll just c/p my reply from that thread:
Oregon went about drug policy arse backwards. Decriminalization doesn’t accomplish a fricking thing when it comes to making drugs safer or in reducing drug trafficking related violence. If after the failed experiment of alcohol prohibition we had simply decriminalized alcohol possession, it would have been the same abject disaster that this was. Legalize it and regulate it, but in the same way that everything else is regulated. If you tax and regulate it into oblivion, the black market will continue to exist, and that’s the core problem.
Oregon went about drug policy arse backwards. Decriminalization doesn’t accomplish a fricking thing when it comes to making drugs safer or in reducing drug trafficking related violence. If after the failed experiment of alcohol prohibition we had simply decriminalized alcohol possession, it would have been the same abject disaster that this was. Legalize it and regulate it, but in the same way that everything else is regulated. If you tax and regulate it into oblivion, the black market will continue to exist, and that’s the core problem.
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Posted on 4/5/24 at 9:49 pm to SlowFlowPro
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You're paying for jails, too, brother
Worth it so that my children and I don’t have to inhale the smoke of a marijuana cigarette walking down the street or dodge weed head drivers under the influence when they get out from their parents basement with the munchies.
Decriminalizing marijuana is the singular worst decision of the past decade and correlates directly with our country’s downward turn.
This post was edited on 4/5/24 at 9:50 pm
Posted on 4/5/24 at 9:51 pm to Joshjrn
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Oregon went about drug policy arse backwards. Decriminalization doesn’t accomplish a fricking thing when it comes to making drugs safer or in reducing drug trafficking related violence.
Just like communism has “never been done right” y’all weedheads get high and think y’all have something profound if y’all just do it right
Posted on 4/5/24 at 9:59 pm to Adam Banks
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Just like communism has “never been done right” y’all weedheads get high and think y’all have something profound if y’all just do it right
Congratulations on being fricking retarded. It has been done right, which made up two thirds of my post, which you conveniently excluded:
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If after the failed experiment of alcohol prohibition we had simply decriminalized alcohol possession, it would have been the same abject disaster that this was. Legalize it and regulate it, but in the same way that everything else is regulated. If you tax and regulate it into oblivion, the black market will continue to exist, and that’s the core problem.
Posted on 4/6/24 at 5:36 am to tsmi136
Liberalism is a stupid arse position to subscribe to
Posted on 4/6/24 at 9:32 am to Bjorn Cyborg
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Prohibition didn’t work for alcohol, hasn’t worked for guns and has been a failure for drugs. But sure, it’ll work this time.
We can judge if its working or not by how many degenerates we have to trip over when walking around a city. Have you been to portland lately?
Posted on 4/6/24 at 9:36 am to diat150
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We can judge if its working or not by how many degenerates we have to trip over when walking around a city. Have you been to portland lately?
Alcohol is legal, yet we somehow manage to have open container laws.
So no, that isn't a good metric. Anyone who equates drug legalization with free open usage on public property, allowing tent cities, allowing loitering on private property against the wishes of the owner, etc, is either ignorant or intentionally disingenuous.
Posted on 4/6/24 at 9:38 am to HoustonGumbeauxGuy
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Now they just need to burn the homeless encampments to the ground and ship all of the druggie transients to a remote island
Isn’t this what the British did with Australia?
Posted on 4/6/24 at 9:39 am to diat150
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We can judge if its working or not by how many degenerates we have to trip over when walking around a city. Have you been to portland lately?
Thats not a drug problem. Its a welfare/appeasement issue.
These issues were exacerbated by uber liberal appeasement. People have always used drugs.
Posted on 4/6/24 at 9:42 am to Dadren
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You get these depictions, particularly in right-wing media of liberal cities run amok with shoplifting and drug use," he said. "Whether it's fair or not, that's the depiction Portland fell into." In other words, it wasn’t the fact that encouraging drug use elevated crime and homelessness, it was just the right wing’s perception tha
I work in IT for a retail company. Our location in Portland was robbed at gunpoint twice and had the iPads stolen twice in the last year. All 8 of the iPads. Those were all separate incidents. After the 2nd robbery, the employees walked out until security was provided.
There may have been more incidents but I was personally involved in those 4 cases (replacing equipment, disabling store sysytems, etc)
It’s not a perception problem.
This post was edited on 4/6/24 at 9:53 am
Posted on 4/6/24 at 9:44 am to supadave3
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I work in IT for a retail company. Our location in Portland was robbed at gunpoint twice and had the iPads stolen twice in the last year. All 8 of them. Those were all separate incidents. After the 2nd robbery, the employee walked out until security was provided.
Down and out addicts used to live in the woods til they died. Now the city feeds them and lets them camp on the street.
Left to their own devices, these people will take themselves out of the game, as it should be.
Posted on 4/6/24 at 9:54 am to Joshjrn
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Alcohol is legal, yet we somehow manage to have open container laws. So no, that isn't a good metric. Anyone who equates drug legalization with free open usage on public property, allowing tent cities, allowing loitering on private property against the wishes of the owner, etc, is either ignorant or intentionally disingenuous.
You are being disingenuous. Once these laws pass degenerates come from all over and overwhelm the system. Not to mention ease of access gets more local users. The system cannot handle or afford the problems caused. Then you end up being portland and thw city is ruined.
And you cannot even compare alcohol to hard drugs. Really dude?
Imo the only answer is distribution of these drugs being as close to a life sentence as possible. Ruin others lives and you are done.
Posted on 4/6/24 at 10:08 am to diat150
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And you cannot even compare alcohol to hard drugs. Really dude?
You absolutely can. There's zero difference other than a cultural acceptance of alcohol.
Posted on 4/6/24 at 10:09 am to diat150
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And you cannot even compare alcohol to hard drugs. Really dude?
In what way
Posted on 4/6/24 at 10:12 am to HoustonGumbeauxGuy
quote:Just TELL them that the ship is going to a remote island. Ships can “accidentally” sink way offshore.
Now they just need to burn the homeless encampments to the ground and ship all of the druggie transients to a remote island
Posted on 4/6/24 at 10:17 am to diat150
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You are being disingenuous. Once these laws pass degenerates come from all over and overwhelm the system. Not to mention ease of access gets more local users. The system cannot handle or afford the problems caused. Then you end up being portland and thw city is ruined.
And you cannot even compare alcohol to hard drugs. Really dude?
Imo the only answer is distribution of these drugs being as close to a life sentence as possible. Ruin others lives and you are done.
Alcohol consumption (again, we're ignoring the harms of the black market because if drugs are truly legal, there is no black market) is responsible for more death and destruction than every illicit narcotic combined, and it's not close.
Posted on 4/6/24 at 10:18 am to diat150
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You are being disingenuous. Once these laws pass degenerates come from all over and overwhelm the system
Wouldnt be a problem if it were legal everywhere else.
Colorado fricked up being the first to legalize weed, which led to massive unflux of ne-er do wells. Portland did the same with hard drugs.
Posted on 4/6/24 at 10:31 am to RogerTheShrubber
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People have always used drugs.
In the 90’s a CO Federal Judge during a hearing to reschedule pot (dea) found that the total addiction rate in 1900 before ANY drug regulations was the same as the addiction rate at the time of the hearing after 40+ years of regulation and propaganda demonizing drugs. (3.5% btw, same as now an additional 30+ years of regulation/demonization later)
The same judge recognized in his findings that pot is safer than potatoes.
Posted on 4/6/24 at 10:34 am to DavidTheGnome
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You absolutely can. There's zero difference other than a cultural acceptance of alcohol.
I am pro drug legalization... but..
You have to end welfare for drug addicts. You have to be willing to let people die. Drug intervention programs are fairly worthless for what we pay for them. The rate of success is extremely poor.
We dont have the stomach for freedom.
This post was edited on 4/6/24 at 10:37 am
Posted on 4/6/24 at 10:51 am to RogerTheShrubber
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I am pro drug legalization... but.. You have to end welfare for drug addicts. You have to be willing to let people die. Drug intervention programs are fairly worthless for what we pay for them. The rate of success is extremely poor. We dont have the stomach for freedom.
I’m anti-welfare as a categorical, but why is it that I never hear calls to end welfare for people who abuse alcohol? It’s always the amorphous “drugs”.
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