- My Forums
- Tiger Rant
- LSU Recruiting
- SEC Rant
- Saints Talk
- Pelicans Talk
- More Sports Board
- Fantasy Sports
- Golf Board
- Soccer Board
- O-T Lounge
- Tech Board
- Home/Garden Board
- Outdoor Board
- Health/Fitness Board
- Movie/TV Board
- Book Board
- Music Board
- Political Talk
- Money Talk
- Fark Board
- Gaming Board
- Travel Board
- Food/Drink Board
- Ticket Exchange
- TD Help Board
Customize My Forums- View All Forums
- Show Left Links
- Topic Sort Options
- Trending Topics
- Recent Topics
- Active Topics
Started By
Message
re: Oklahoma City bombing
Posted on 12/20/17 at 10:46 pm to Byrdybyrd05
Posted on 12/20/17 at 10:46 pm to Byrdybyrd05
Mcveigh referenced Osama Bin Laden in his jailhouse writings, FWIW. This was years before anybody outside the intelligence agencies had ever heard of OBL. The mysterious John Doe #2 has never been identified. It was thought at the time he was Native American or Hispanic, but that description could just as well fit a middle easterner. Terry Nichols is the only living person who knows, and he's doing his life sentence and keeping his mouth shut.
2
Posted on 12/20/17 at 10:49 pm to TigersFan64
quote:
I was 31 at the time of the Oklahoma City bombing. I was shocked and angered. In my opinion, Tim Mcveigh deserved to have every bone in his body broken before he was executed. That was an arrogant, worthless excuse for a human being. I feel the same way about that pedophile scumbag, David Koresh. He is solely to blame for the tragedy at Waco. The feds only wanted him. Had he come out and surrendered like a man and not hid behind women and children like a coward, no one would have died. Imho, both Mcveigh and Koresh deserve to rot in Hell.
Wrong. You need to do more reading on the subject. The Feds could have arrested Koresh many times away from the compound. They chose not to do so because it was budget time and they wanted a big show to increase their budget and go after more people they didn't like.
Posted on 12/20/17 at 10:55 pm to LongueCarabine
That's right, hold pedophile David Koresh blameless and just blame the government. I can guess why too: Koresh was a gun wacko. The fact of the matter is Koresh and his craven cowardice caused the Waco tragedy. May he rot in Hell.
Posted on 12/20/17 at 11:00 pm to TigersFan64
quote:
The fact of the matter is Koresh and his craven cowardice caused the Waco tragedy.
ATF, FBI, or the local Sheriff had multiple opportunities to arrest him off site in a peaceful manner.
Posted on 12/20/17 at 11:00 pm to LongueCarabine
You cult people are sick. And u are also completely full of shite. David Koresh only had to surrender like a man. He chose to hide behind women and children like the craven coward he was. He had a nice setup for himself, fricking underage girls and any other female member of his sick cult he wanted to. People like u who defend Koresh make me want to puke.
Posted on 12/20/17 at 11:01 pm to TigersFan64
This is really difficult for you to understand, isn't it?
I'm guessing you really can't comprehend the difference between something that is technically "legal" versus "moral".
You need to face up to the fact that the Federal government could have done this a whole lot differently, and if they had, maybe 82 people wouldn't have needlessly died.
I'm guessing you really can't comprehend the difference between something that is technically "legal" versus "moral".
You need to face up to the fact that the Federal government could have done this a whole lot differently, and if they had, maybe 82 people wouldn't have needlessly died.
Posted on 12/20/17 at 11:02 pm to Byrdybyrd05
No lie I worked with the bombers neice for a couple weeks at my old job.
Chick was low key nuts. You could tell there was some crazy in her
Chick was low key nuts. You could tell there was some crazy in her
Posted on 12/20/17 at 11:05 pm to TigersFan64
I'm only sympathathetic to someone not getting ambushed at the beginning by the ATF agents.
HOWEVER, I have no sympathy for those who do not surrender to police when told.
Had either the Ruby Ridge's Randy Weaver surrendered and David Koresh surrendered as requested, no one would have died. The only thing different between the two is that Weaver was entrapped and really didn't do anything wrong to begin with. Which is sort of important.
HOWEVER, I have no sympathy for those who do not surrender to police when told.
Had either the Ruby Ridge's Randy Weaver surrendered and David Koresh surrendered as requested, no one would have died. The only thing different between the two is that Weaver was entrapped and really didn't do anything wrong to begin with. Which is sort of important.
Posted on 12/20/17 at 11:07 pm to Golfer
That's right, hold Koresh totally blameless since he was one of your gun nut kin folk. Again, Koresh had ample opportunity to come out and surrender peacefully. He chose not to. He also chose to fire on federal agents executing a valid warrant. And Koresh chose to murder the people in his compound by deliberately starting an inferno. It's so nice of u to defend that pedophile murderer scum. U must be proud of yourself.
Posted on 12/20/17 at 11:09 pm to TigersFan64
quote:
People like u who defend Koresh make me want to puke.
Unless I’m missing it, I don’t think anyone here is defending Koresh; or believing he shouldn’t have been arrested.
Posted on 12/20/17 at 11:10 pm to TigersFan64
quote:
That's right, hold Koresh totally blameless since he was one of your gun nut kin folk.
Well, for starters I don’t own a gun. Nor am I putting the entirety of the blame of the feds.
Nor do I think his abuse of women should be ignored.
This post was edited on 12/20/17 at 11:12 pm
Posted on 12/20/17 at 11:12 pm to East Coast Band
quote:
OWEVER, I have no sympathy for those who do not surrender to police when told.
Had either the Ruby Ridge's Randy Weaver surrendered and David Koresh surrendered as requested, no one would have died. The only thing different between the two is that Weaver was entrapped and really didn't do anything wrong to begin with. Which is sort of important.
These two statements are at odds with each other.
But as you said, he was entrapped by ATF.
I don't doubt that, had he surrendered, he would simply have been killed, or at best thrown in prison for the rest of his life. Both of which would have been unjust.
He made the right decision at the right time, and shed a lot of light on the abuses of the ATF, and in this case, the Marshals Service.
Posted on 12/20/17 at 11:17 pm to LongueCarabine
I still have a problem with people who don't surrender when told to.
What if every person did this? Every criminal did this? How could jsutice ever be served?
Hell, let me commit a crime, and just stay put in my house and eventually the cops will just go away? Please.
What if every person did this? Every criminal did this? How could jsutice ever be served?
Hell, let me commit a crime, and just stay put in my house and eventually the cops will just go away? Please.
Posted on 12/20/17 at 11:20 pm to TigersFan64
quote:Perfect reason to kill 82 people
Koresh was a gun wacko
Posted on 12/20/17 at 11:22 pm to East Coast Band
quote:
Hell, let me commit a crime, and just stay put in my house and eventually the cops will just go away? Please.
We were talking about an extreme situation where someone was entrapped by law enforcement. I know this is hard to believe, but LE is not always virtuous, nor or they neutral.
The vast majority of people should surrender, but in this case, no.
Posted on 12/20/17 at 11:23 pm to Byrdybyrd05
Lived right outside OKC at the time and a girl I knew two houses down lost her dad. There were a couple of kids at the school I went to that lost somebody. Definitely a surreal time.
Posted on 12/20/17 at 11:25 pm to soccerfüt
quote:
I’m amazed there aren’t more nutjobs doing terrible things in/to society than what actually happens.
You say that, but... this loser from where i grew up plotted to bomb a 9-11 memorial in K.C.
Posted on 12/20/17 at 11:39 pm to East Coast Band
A jury composed of like-minded Weaver sympathizers "determined" he had been entrapped. I know I and all the people I know would know better than to be in the business of selling sawed-off shotguns. It's his own fault he chose to put himself in a position of selling illegal firearms. The fact that a jury made up of anti-govt types "decided" he'd been "entrapped" does not leave Weaver blamelss. He knew selling sawed off shotguns was a federal offense.
Posted on 12/20/17 at 11:58 pm to TigersFan64
Your understanding of what happened is superficial at best. Do some reading.
And for shits and giggles, let's assume you are right. (You're not but let's pretend.)
Supposedly, he cut the barrel of a shotgun 1/4" more than is "allowed" under the National Firearms Act of 1934. This act is a travesty of the law, based on a finding that short-barreled shotguns were never used as "militia" weapons, which is a crock of manure.
The only reason the NFA was allowed to stand was because Miller and his lawyer never responded to show up at the US Supreme Court hearing to determine the validity of this contention.
Had they showed up, it would have been a slam dunk and we wouldn't have the NFA or GCA '68.
So tell me, do you think Randy Weaver's son and wife should have been killed, and himself badly wounded, over a 1/4" difference in the length of a shotgun barrel?
Or do you think that just perhaps if ATF had approached him and said, "Hey Mr. Weaver, what you now have here is a short-barreled shotgun and you need to pay the $200 tax on it" things might have turned out differently for everyone involved?
And for shits and giggles, let's assume you are right. (You're not but let's pretend.)
Supposedly, he cut the barrel of a shotgun 1/4" more than is "allowed" under the National Firearms Act of 1934. This act is a travesty of the law, based on a finding that short-barreled shotguns were never used as "militia" weapons, which is a crock of manure.
The only reason the NFA was allowed to stand was because Miller and his lawyer never responded to show up at the US Supreme Court hearing to determine the validity of this contention.
Had they showed up, it would have been a slam dunk and we wouldn't have the NFA or GCA '68.
So tell me, do you think Randy Weaver's son and wife should have been killed, and himself badly wounded, over a 1/4" difference in the length of a shotgun barrel?
Or do you think that just perhaps if ATF had approached him and said, "Hey Mr. Weaver, what you now have here is a short-barreled shotgun and you need to pay the $200 tax on it" things might have turned out differently for everyone involved?
Posted on 12/21/17 at 12:03 am to biglego
We ducked and covered when I was real small.
Switched to an annual "what to do when you see the atomic bomb flash" instructional videos after that.
Still blew the air raid sirens once a year to clear the bird nests out of them. Kids should worry about being incinerated, builds character.
Switched to an annual "what to do when you see the atomic bomb flash" instructional videos after that.
Still blew the air raid sirens once a year to clear the bird nests out of them. Kids should worry about being incinerated, builds character.
Page 2 of 4
Popular
Back to top
Follow TigerDroppings for LSU Football News