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re: Oil Price Piece: What’s Really Happening With Gasoline Demand?

Posted on 8/8/22 at 7:45 am to
Posted by OweO
Plaquemine, La
Member since Sep 2009
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Posted on 8/8/22 at 7:45 am to
Biden's face really looks like a dead person's face when they fix them up at the funeral home before putting them out.
Posted by TexasTiger89
Houston, TX
Member since Feb 2005
26780 posts
Posted on 8/8/22 at 7:53 am to
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why is he bragging about gas prices then?


1) First he blames Russia and the war in Ukraine
2) He blames oil companies
3) He blames gas station owners
4) Claims credit for prices going down

What a clown..
Posted by OweO
Plaquemine, La
Member since Sep 2009
122172 posts
Posted on 8/8/22 at 7:56 am to
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It’s pretty brazen that his administration was blaming gas prices on Putin and literally saying that presidents can’t control gas prices when the price was going up, and now that gas prices are going down they’re blasting every form of media taking direct credit


Yeah, you can't have it both ways considering he has nothing to do with the prices.
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
15753 posts
Posted on 8/8/22 at 8:04 am to
Gasoline and diesel prices where more influenced by less refining capacity post 2020 due closures and partial refinery conversions to profitable renewable diesel. Oil prices were higher in 2014 before the price collapse but gasoline and diesel not at high.

Summer travel driving is what didn't materialize as normal.

FWIW, offshore oil and gas production is on the rise from leases obtained several years ago. Lots of new subsea tiebacks to existing semisubmersible production platforms have been key and a cost savings. Deepwater break even from $55 per barrel has been cut by $20, as the average.
Posted by waiting4saturday
Covington, LA
Member since Sep 2005
11089 posts
Posted on 8/8/22 at 8:09 am to
So Biden did lower gas prices by fricking the economy up so bad that people didn't take vacations this summer.
Posted by Bard
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Member since Oct 2008
59280 posts
Posted on 8/8/22 at 8:19 am to
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Biden is working very hard behind the scenes and bring prices down. He is showing to be an effective leader.
Posted by WaWaWeeWa
Member since Oct 2015
15714 posts
Posted on 8/8/22 at 8:24 am to
The bullwhip effect



This is what is going to happen throughout the economy as manufacturers and suppliers struggle to figure out what the supply and demand really is. Prices will fluctuate but keep rising.

This is what Michael Burry, the man who predicted 2008, thinks is happening
Posted by ragincajun03
Member since Nov 2007
29228 posts
Posted on 8/8/22 at 8:25 am to
There's also some large gas pipeline projects taking place in the Permian which should increase production more from:

1- Allowing constrained NG in New Mexico to flow, which will allow barrels of oil to flow. NMOCD rule from last year banned flaring except in cases of real emergency or equipment failure. Can't burn the gas in the air any more in order to just get oil production flowing.

2- With current NG prices and demand for LNG, the operators currently flaring in TX in order to move oil would certainly love to be able to flow the gas as well rather than just burning it up.

At the end of the day, though, like you said, refining capacity is the issue here domestically. The increased barrels of oil will be nice to have on the world market, as well as the LNG exports.
Posted by tadman
Member since Jun 2020
5445 posts
Posted on 8/8/22 at 8:47 am to
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I don't care if it's been dropping or not, let me know when it gets back to the prices when he took office back in 2020. It was a $1.87 a gallon back then! These people are morons.


Bro you have got to stop saying that! They want expensive gas so we drive less. Full stop. The story is not gas prices, it's ending oil use. They are very smart and we are losing.
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
15753 posts
Posted on 8/8/22 at 8:47 am to
In all cases you have to consider the 90+ cents per gallon to pay RIN credits from fuel blenders, not the oil companies. That is Valero's cost even though it is one of the largest owners of ethanol plants.
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
15753 posts
Posted on 8/8/22 at 8:49 am to
Refineries were losing Billions back then. That low price is why the price is so high today, several shutdown permanently to keep from going bankrupt.
Posted by Mid Iowa Tiger
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Posted on 8/8/22 at 8:57 am to
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It is therefore questionable how much credit for the 50-day price decline in gasoline the Biden administration could reasonably claim.


No, no it is not difficult. There are two possible scenarios for the price decrease.

1) supplies increased at a rate outpacing steady or increasing demand. That would mean the regulatory agencies are finally showing some level of competence and getting things moving. The Biden admin gets partial credit.

2) demand decreased enough for supplies to outpace demand. This would mean people are driving less because they can’t afford it. Hell, me and 3 of my kids flew places I would normally drive this summer because plane tickets were cost neutral compared to gas prices.

Biden get zero credit for fricking up the economy so bad so fast that people are not driving as much. Of course, that’s the (mostly) unspoken goal of this administration.
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
15753 posts
Posted on 8/8/22 at 8:58 am to
Crude Oil from offshore is far more refinery friendly that the light stuff from the Permian. Increased production in the Permian will likely go overseas. Refineries are already getting as much as they can refine without vapor locking crude units.

Much if not most of Permian production is 56-60 API gravity and actually condensate. It has to go through what amounts to two crude units. The first to get all the light ends out and make it like normal crude oil. That costs real money.

So, it is not all WTI (which is only a specification widget) but West Texas Light.
Posted by Turf Taint
New Orleans
Member since Jun 2021
6010 posts
Posted on 8/8/22 at 9:02 am to
President should get little credit for gasoline price going up or down in the short term.

Should not get accolades in declines and should not get fanged for inclines.

The President's long-term impact on both is much greater than his short term impact. Much. Like not even close.

"I did that" stickers are a waste of good adhesive, whether applied to good or bad news.
Posted by uptowntiger84
uptown
Member since Jul 2011
5492 posts
Posted on 8/8/22 at 9:35 am to
Don't worry he will claim it was him and him alone that got gas prices to drop so sharply and not the fact that people are driving less because of inflation and having less money to spend. Plenty of things will appear better right before midterms so the sheep will believe biden is making great strides to get the US back on track.
This post was edited on 8/8/22 at 9:38 am
Posted by MrLSU
Yellowstone, Val d'isere
Member since Jan 2004
29741 posts
Posted on 8/8/22 at 9:38 am to
The real answer is a major slowdown in the Chinese economy followed by global inflation followed by Biden’s policy snafus.
Posted by jdd48
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2012
23785 posts
Posted on 8/8/22 at 9:41 am to
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It’s pretty brazen that his administration was blaming gas prices on Putin and literally saying that presidents can’t control gas prices when the price was going up, and now that gas prices are going down they’re blasting every form of media taking direct credit I mean that’s a pretty bold strategy.


He has the American Pravda... err MSM to cover for him.
Posted by WhereisAtlanta
Member since Jun 2016
847 posts
Posted on 8/8/22 at 9:43 am to
It is rare for a POTUS to have any type of immediate meaningful impact on commodity prices, very rare.
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
15753 posts
Posted on 8/8/22 at 11:45 am to
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The real answer is a major slowdown in the Chinese economy followed by global inflation followed by Biden’s policy snafus.


Partially but gasoline prices are higher than the normal ratio due lack of refining capacity. It is still close to not being a enough but the projected shoratages never occurred.

Russian oil was never off the market just at a $40 discount per barrel to those who would buy it. Thus oil replaced by Russian in China and India went to elsewhere such as the exports from the US went to Europe instead of Asia and India.
Posted by tigergirl10
Member since Jul 2019
10734 posts
Posted on 8/8/22 at 11:49 am to
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It does a good job of explaining how oil prices work and it has 0 to do with elected officials.
You are incredibly ignorant if you believe this. Gas under $2 with President Trump. Gas over $4.50 with Obama and Biden. Explain why that is.
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