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Of all the bizarre of warfare tactics: Kaiten “human torpedoes” may take the cake
Posted on 7/15/26 at 10:48 am
Posted on 7/15/26 at 10:48 am
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In the final months of WW2 the Imperial Japanese Navy was facing a situation they once thought impossible.
Their mighty fleet had been destroyed, their aircraft carriers and battleships sunk by US torpedoes and bombers.
Worse, the inviolable Japanese homeland was herself under threat. On one thing the Japanese were clear: the US Navy could not be allowed to reach Japan, and in her defense everything should be considered.
This is the thinking which led to the Kamikaze attacks on US warships, Japanese pilots willingly crashing into the US fleet and committing suicide in order to bring death and destruction to the enemy. And this is the thinking which, in a similar vein, led to the Kaiten.
In many ways the Kaiten was an even more horrific strategy than that of Kamikaze. Japanese engineers modified a type 93 torpedo, equipping it with 1.5 tonnes of explosives and a human crew.
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The Kaiten saw action in the Pacific, becoming known as the “Long Lance” due to its exceptional range. With a capacity for twice as many warheads and the extraordinary ability to hit targets up to 42 miles (78 km) away while moving at 36 knots
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On November 20, 1944, a loud explosion echoed through the Ulithi Atoll in the West Caroline Islands at around 5:45 am in the morning. The USS Mississinewa, an oil tanker stationed near the entrance of the Ulithi lagoon, serving as a vital refueling base for over 200 US Navy vessels fighting against the Japanese in the South Pacific, was directly struck by a new top-secret weapon of the Imperial Japanese Navy.
One of the Kaiten torpedoes’ creators, Lt. Sekio Nishina, took charge of the weapon on a particular morning in November and fired it from a mothership submarine. It is believed that his human torpedo collided with the USS Mississinewa.
The massive 3,000-pound (1,360 kg) warhead of the human torpedo caused a spectacular explosion, creating a major hole in the port side of the Mississinewa. Then, an aviation gas tank’s vapors caught fire and caused another explosion.
Over 100 of the torpedoes would go on to be used in suicide missions against the US Navy. The Kaiten became among the most feared of Japanese weapons, due to its exceptional range, its potential to deal enormous damage, and its terrifying accuracy.
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Posted on 7/15/26 at 10:57 am to okietiger
Can't understand the mindset of those who go on suicide missions like that...
I bet they regretted it when they knew they were about to die...
I bet they regretted it when they knew they were about to die...
Posted on 7/15/26 at 11:01 am to Recognizable Poster
They did not. The Japanese movement from a feudal society to imperialism was done in one generation. Dying for the emperor was the ultimate sacrifice for their people.
Posted on 7/15/26 at 11:01 am to Recognizable Poster
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Can't understand the mindset of those who go on suicide missions like that...
When you are told that if your country loses the war then everyone you know and love will be raped, tortured, and killed by the victors then its easy to understand that mindset.
This post was edited on 7/15/26 at 11:04 am
Posted on 7/15/26 at 11:09 am to Recognizable Poster
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I bet they regretted it when they knew they were about to die...
I bet the majority were committed and were not afraid
Posted on 7/15/26 at 11:10 am to okietiger
This is nothing. Striking a purely military target is a reasonable action by a soldier as his duty.
Let’s discuss the mindset of a guy who straps 40 pounds of explosives and ball bearings to his chest and walks into an outdoor market full of his own citizens and sets it off.
Let’s discuss the mindset of a guy who straps 40 pounds of explosives and ball bearings to his chest and walks into an outdoor market full of his own citizens and sets it off.
Posted on 7/15/26 at 11:10 am to okietiger
I opened this thread thinking you were talking about some chick from back in the day showing her torpedo titties. I was disappointed. here's some torpedo titties.


Posted on 7/15/26 at 11:16 am to AllDayEveryDay
That's interesting. In that case I wonder if their families were sad that they died or if they found honor in it.
Posted on 7/15/26 at 11:17 am to okietiger
And 20 years after your suicide death in the name of your country, your same country is doing major trade with your enemy (auto) and will be their staunch ally decades later.
Your life reduced to a half page in a history book that people may or may not read in library that they arrived to in their Toyota Camry.
Honor is a dubious word.
Your life reduced to a half page in a history book that people may or may not read in library that they arrived to in their Toyota Camry.
Honor is a dubious word.
This post was edited on 7/15/26 at 11:19 am
Posted on 7/15/26 at 11:22 am to Recognizable Poster
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I bet they regretted it when they knew they were about to die...
Unfamiliar with Japanese tradition, are we? Noble suicide is one of their highest honors.
Posted on 7/15/26 at 11:22 am to okietiger
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Japanese engineers modified a type 93 torpedo, equipping it with 1.5 tonnes of explosives and a human crew.
Posted on 7/15/26 at 11:31 am to Breauxsif
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Japanese engineers modified a type 93 torpedo, equipping it with 1.5 tonnes of explosives and a human crew.
This is how you made smart weapons before the age of the computer chip.
Posted on 7/15/26 at 11:40 am to okietiger
quote:It was derived from the Type 93 Long Lance torpedo, which went into service with the Japanese Navy in the 1930's.
The Kaiten saw action in the Pacific, becoming known as the “Long Lance” due to its exceptional range.
quote:It's warhead was larger than the Long Lance if that's what they're trying to say.
With a capacity for twice as many warheads
This link has some accurate information about this kamikaze contraption.
wiki for kaiten
Posted on 7/15/26 at 11:45 am to Kcrad
These things could travel 40 miles.
Can you imagine piloting these torpedo coffin for 40 miles? That's a lot of time to think.
That Pacific Theatre was wild. Crazy how good our relationship with Japan is considering how brutal and outlandish this war was. My grandfather (AA gunner in Philippines mostly) never had a nice thing to say about Japan. Would refuse to own anything such as Sony until the day he died.
Can you imagine piloting these torpedo coffin for 40 miles? That's a lot of time to think.
That Pacific Theatre was wild. Crazy how good our relationship with Japan is considering how brutal and outlandish this war was. My grandfather (AA gunner in Philippines mostly) never had a nice thing to say about Japan. Would refuse to own anything such as Sony until the day he died.
Posted on 7/15/26 at 11:59 am to okietiger
The Italians also had a human torpedo…
So did the British…
And the Germans…
Even Argentina…
Though, unlike the Japanese, all of these didn’t require the pilot to die for the mission to be accomplished.
So did the British…
And the Germans…
Even Argentina…
Though, unlike the Japanese, all of these didn’t require the pilot to die for the mission to be accomplished.
Posted on 7/15/26 at 12:05 pm to AllDayEveryDay
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They did not. The Japanese movement from a feudal society to imperialism was done in one generation. Dying for the emperor was the ultimate sacrifice for their people.
The Japanese were preparing women, children and the elderly to fight when their individual islands were invaded by Allied forces. Projections of deaths were 3 million total for the US to take all of Japan. Hiroshima and Nagasaki were 100% justified. All the deaths associated with the Atom bombings were around 250K. The Japanese were not going to surrender.
Posted on 7/15/26 at 12:12 pm to Darth_Vader
What would those do? They just jump off at the last second? 
Posted on 7/15/26 at 12:17 pm to Funky Tide 8
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When you are told that if your country loses the war then everyone you know and love will be raped, tortured, and killed by the victors then its easy to understand that mindset
Exactly what they told the residents on Saipan. Whole families jumping off Marpi Point to kill themselves, the father shooting his whole family and then turn the gun on himself, and the father pulling the pin on a grenade with his family hugging him were some of the horror stories I’ve heard all because they thought US Marines would rape and murder them.
Posted on 7/15/26 at 12:17 pm to okietiger
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Of all the bizarre of warfare tactics: Kaiten “human torpedoes” may take the cake
What about Russian anti tank dogs?
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