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re: Notre Dame cathedral is burning down

Posted on 4/15/19 at 1:49 pm to
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 4/15/19 at 1:49 pm to
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The fact that church vandalization and arson has been widespread in Paris, Occams Razor would suggest it was foul play


, that's not how Occam's razor works.

You're not crazy for thinking it could be terrorism, I wondered the same, but construction accident, considering the very clear work being done, is the simplest answer.
Posted by LSUBoo
Knoxville, TN
Member since Mar 2006
104448 posts
Posted on 4/15/19 at 1:49 pm to
quote:

Shep just said the island that the cathedral is on is now being evacuated. What's that about?


It's a pretty small island, it's pretty densely built (outside of the plaza in front of Notre Dame), and they are probably concerned about the fire spreading to other buildings and the bridges creating choke points for people trying to get out.
Posted by Darth_Vader
A galaxy far, far away
Member since Dec 2011
74554 posts
Posted on 4/15/19 at 1:50 pm to
quote:

I think a lot of people here are hoping it's Muslims tbh. It's kinda sad.


I don’t think anyone is hoping it’s Muslims. Rather they’re stating the obvious fact that’s a distinct possibility. Do you not agree this is a possibility?
Posted by Tigerbait357
Member since Jun 2011
71179 posts
Posted on 4/15/19 at 1:51 pm to





I feel the pictures don't do it justice. Experiencing this in person is quite breath taking.
Posted by TheFonz
Somewhere in Louisiana
Member since Jul 2016
23541 posts
Posted on 4/15/19 at 1:51 pm to
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On the one hand it’s entirely possible the fire is a result of an accident on the renovation project going on.


If that is the case, every worker that was there today will be shitting their pants, worried that they are about to become the most hated man in France. The honcho of the company contracted for the work is probably on his way out of the country as we speak.
Posted by AaronDeTiger
baton rouge
Member since Jun 2014
2525 posts
Posted on 4/15/19 at 1:52 pm to
In another video I saw, there was scaffolding on the roof. Probably a cigarette from a construction baw.
Posted by WestCoastAg
Member since Oct 2012
150997 posts
Posted on 4/15/19 at 1:52 pm to
luckily they should be able to build a pretty accurate replacement. wont be the same but its something at least
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
140573 posts
Posted on 4/15/19 at 1:53 pm to
quote:

I think a lot of people here are hoping it's Muslims tbh. It's kinda sad.




They are at war with western civilization regardless if you believe it or not. They have been at war with the west (and east...actually everyone not muslim) since mohammad.
Posted by Black n Gold
Member since Feb 2009
16020 posts
Posted on 4/15/19 at 1:53 pm to
Interested to know how all of the workers managed to get off of that massive building/roof and avoid injury.
Posted by beerJeep
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2016
39215 posts
Posted on 4/15/19 at 1:53 pm to
quote:

Also people typically only lived 40 or so


Not true. Avg age is in the 40s Bc of the astronomically high child mortality rate. If you made it past early childhood your chance of reaching 60-70 were definitely reasonable
Posted by DeafJam73
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2010
19122 posts
Posted on 4/15/19 at 1:53 pm to
Tbh, I’m leaning towards terrorism. There a lot of that kind of crap going on. I would also bet that the construction crew used isn’t just some father and son group out there working on a national treasure. They are probably experts and chances of a mishap are probably lower than normal if I had to guess. But I’m just speculating.
Posted by Darth_Vader
A galaxy far, far away
Member since Dec 2011
74554 posts
Posted on 4/15/19 at 1:53 pm to
quote:

If that is the case, every worker that was there today will be shitting their pants, worried that they are about to become the most hated man in France. The honcho of the company contracted for the work is probably on his way out of the country as we speak.


And it’s entirely possible one of those workers intentionally started it. Bottom line is right now nobody here knows how it started. All we can do is wait and see.
Posted by AUEagle144
Member since Dec 2014
535 posts
Posted on 4/15/19 at 1:53 pm to
quote:

I saw it was almost 8 pm local time when the spire collapsed. What time did it start? Seems like it was after typical working hours

About 6pm Paris time.
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
Member since Mar 2012
74687 posts
Posted on 4/15/19 at 1:53 pm to
For those saying there will be a rebuild, there should be, BUT:

scientists to this day still are not completely sure how the roof structure was built.

It will be tough to replicate
Posted by upgrayedd
Lifting at Tobin's house
Member since Mar 2013
139208 posts
Posted on 4/15/19 at 1:54 pm to
quote:

scientists to this day still are not completely sure how the roof structure was built.

It will be tough to replicate


At this point, I don't think historical accuracy is paramount
Posted by LSUGrrrl
Frisco, TX
Member since Jul 2007
46437 posts
Posted on 4/15/19 at 1:54 pm to
quote:

You're not crazy for thinking it could be terrorism, I wondered the same, but construction accident, considering the very clear work being done, is the simplest answer.


Sure but UK just posted warnings this week they had evidence of planned attacks across Europe and its Holy Week. Construction is done every day on old buildings there without burning them down. I’d say about equal odds of both with the warnings.
Posted by upgrayedd
Lifting at Tobin's house
Member since Mar 2013
139208 posts
Posted on 4/15/19 at 1:54 pm to
quote:


About 6pm Paris time.

Hmmm
Posted by Cocotheape
Member since Aug 2015
4242 posts
Posted on 4/15/19 at 1:55 pm to
No real reason to wait and see, those that believe it was terrorism won’t be swayed by any statements from the French government stating otherwise
Posted by rt3
now in the piney woods of Pineville
Member since Apr 2011
148000 posts
Posted on 4/15/19 at 1:55 pm to
looks like the worst of the flames are back by the scaffolding and are well away from the 2 towers
Posted by Darth_Vader
A galaxy far, far away
Member since Dec 2011
74554 posts
Posted on 4/15/19 at 1:55 pm to
quote:

Tbh, I’m leaning towards terrorism.


That thought is gnawing at the back of my mind as well. I think it’s a pretty big coincidence this fire happens on Monday of Holy Week. I can’t say this is the case for sure. But it does raise suspicion.
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