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Posted on 5/9/25 at 8:20 am to PelicanState87
WWL did a spot on this the other day
It’s drying up. It was summed up as cost savings are better elsewhere. Production goes where the cost is less. After the writers strike deal got done, production became cheaper over seas. They’re moving things to India, Latin America, and other areas where they can produce cheaper.
It’s just like making clothes, or manufacturing toys…. If it can be done cheaper elsewhere, that’s where it’s going.
It’s drying up. It was summed up as cost savings are better elsewhere. Production goes where the cost is less. After the writers strike deal got done, production became cheaper over seas. They’re moving things to India, Latin America, and other areas where they can produce cheaper.
It’s just like making clothes, or manufacturing toys…. If it can be done cheaper elsewhere, that’s where it’s going.
Posted on 5/9/25 at 8:20 am to dgnx6
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Then moved to film in Prague.
This reminds me of that Rob Lowe game show The Floor. He said its cheaper to fly all the contestants to Ireland and film the show there than to produce it in the US.
Posted on 5/9/25 at 8:41 am to jrowla2
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The film industry brought money and jobs into the state. A tax credit is not giving money away, it incentivizes business by reducing the tax burden.
Yes. But tax credits should be reserved for those industries that create permanent jobs in the state. You know, businesses that build and make home offices. That's why this film thing was always a rip-off.
As the last few years have shown, films can be shot anywhere. Actors can move. There is nothing tying that business to a particular location. This was a money give away that produced no long term benefits. It was a failure for the State.
Posted on 5/9/25 at 8:45 am to bulletprooftiger
If all of a sudden we didn't have NG those jobs would dry up as well. Those film programs created jobs and a lot of good PR for the state. We could eliminate the endless studies and pay for it again
Posted on 5/9/25 at 9:34 am to jmarto1
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You know, businesses that build and make home offices
there are plenty of offices at the purpose built studios that populate the state (Second Line and Celtic are a few that come to mind).
Not to mention the prop houses, vehicle lots, caterers, post production houses. There are plenty of examples of rooted film support that has been in place for well over a decade.
Louisiana has a modest, capped incentive ... so hardly a bad deal for the state really. I'm sure it's pennies on the dollar for what the big oil and chemical companies get.
Posted on 5/9/25 at 9:37 am to JW
Everyone in Louisiana would prefer their pay subsidized by 30%.
Posted on 5/9/25 at 9:40 am to Mr Happy
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It seems like there should be a lot better ways to stimulate the local economy than throwing money at the film industry.
No kidding, like throwing money at sports franchises owned by Billionaires.
Posted on 5/9/25 at 10:41 am to jmarto1
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No different than many other industries.
It is different when one industry/company actually generates a tax liability that is merely being reduced vs. another industry/company being subsidized to the point of a "negative" tax liability.
Posted on 5/9/25 at 10:42 am to JW
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Louisiana has a modest, capped incentive ... so hardly a bad deal for the state really. I'm sure it's pennies on the dollar for what the big oil and chemical companies get.
Louisiana’s program is VERY conservative. I’ve argued here before, but dare I say problematically conservative in that it will prevent someone (like Curtis Jackson) for doing what someone else did in Atlanta.
It’s a solid program for a $14.5mm feature where the talent is getting backend or a tv series without marquis names. That’s bread and butter stuff.
Labor relations and program administration are what end up being an issue. Almost all of the stuff that would have been in La is now in Canada because labor is significantly cheaper (and more agreeable) and the dollar is so strong. Thats why it’s slower than normal.
Edit: in regards to the tariffs, if they stick you should assume that will lead to reciprocal tariffs which will make indie filmmaking practically impossible as a huge chunk of the debt financing is based on foreign pre-sales. Cannes should be interesting.
This post was edited on 5/9/25 at 10:44 am
Posted on 5/9/25 at 10:43 am to jrowla2
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A tax credit is not giving money away, it incentivizes business by reducing the tax burden. This is something that happens all the time in every state for industries to bring jobs and spend other money.
This is not entirely true. It’s basically a labor subsidy in LA…most of the credits convert to cash, because the credit holders would prefer .88c on the $ than applying it to tax. Likely because these projects do not produce enough tax burden to use the credits
Posted on 5/9/25 at 10:52 am to bulletprooftiger
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Yes. But tax credits should be reserved for those industries that create permanent jobs in the state. You know, businesses that build and make home offices. That's why this film thing was always a rip-off.
Any of the local deals to attract private businesses have pros and cons and are usually ripe for money grabs by the people who need it least.
However, film production does create a lot of stable jobs in areas where the company does consistent filming. I live near Steiner Studios in Brooklyn and there were certainly lots of protests about the city negotiating for that.
I have no idea if it was a net negative or positive overall but there are 1000s of full time employees from sound engineers to set designers to carpenters/electricians etc. . . A lot of smaller businesses that set up near Steiner to provide everything from catering to set props. It led to a total revitalization of 30 blocks of dilapidated riverfront with new condos, restaurants and shops.
Posted on 5/9/25 at 11:01 am to JW
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I'm sure it's pennies on the dollar for what the big oil and chemical companies get.
Now compare the local and state tax liabilities for O&G and petrochem industries vs. film industry.
Posted on 5/9/25 at 11:10 am to jmarto1
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f all of a sudden we didn't have NG those jobs would dry up as well.
Counterpoint: natural resource based industries do scientific research to get solid projections on the amount of natural resources they can exploit before investing in a plant. It is a long term commitment.
My point is that the film industry didn't have to make any such commitment, as evidenced by exactly what happened. They took are money and moved on to the next one.
Posted on 5/9/25 at 11:14 am to jrowla2
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The film industry brought money and jobs into the state. A tax credit is not giving money away, it incentivizes business by reducing the tax burden. This is something that happens all the time in every state for industries to bring jobs and spend other money.
This. O&G industry gets tax credits too. Plus they get to destroy what little is left of our coast with no consequence.
I think what ultimately did the movie industry in were the parishes seeing no money from it feeling left out.
Posted on 5/9/25 at 11:21 am to wm72
Spoke to a filmmaker this week. He said Europe was subsidizing so much that budgets were half of what they are here when it's all said and done. Said he preferred the tariffs to subsidizing them here.
Posted on 5/9/25 at 11:25 am to PelicanState87
quote:lol always trying to tie new orleans in with the rest of bumkinville south la, lol we not the same
In the 2000s and 2010s, so many films and tv shows had New Orleans or South Louisiana
Posted on 5/9/25 at 11:28 am to dgnx6
So you are saying several things weren’t filmed in La last year?
Posted on 5/9/25 at 11:29 am to PelicanState87
it's dead everywhere i read...not just in south but even in LA. Productions are moving to places like Canada
Posted on 5/9/25 at 11:31 am to Magnus
We are getting them in Mississippi but they are not big budget productions.
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