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re: Nobody wants to work anymore
Posted on 9/6/22 at 3:40 pm to tigerinthebueche
Posted on 9/6/22 at 3:40 pm to tigerinthebueche
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sounds like you should start your own business. Then you can run it any way you want. But if Jim is your boss, you're probably gonna have to do it Jim's way.
How do you not get that this is exactly why so many people are taking advantage of the opportunity to say thanks but no thanks?
My company pays well, the supervisors and polite to one and all, but still demand a fair days work, benefits are fair and reasonably generous for the industry (sorry, no "Caddillac Health Care" for a company with 20 employees!) and guess what, there is no trouble - zero - hiring workers.
Plus the industries that have finding people are those that have traditionally hard to hire in. Bars. Hotels. Fast Food. Those places always turned around.
I don't really go out to bars, just a local Irish-Sports place now and then for a burger to watch the game. I would say that in a year 75% of the staff has left but its mostly for a better job (for example from bartender to bar manager two towns over). I asked one of the owners doesn't this drive him crazy he said
"I've been in the restaurant business for 30 years and it's always been a problem finding people - not just now".
So I take much of this with a grain of salt.
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Posted on 9/6/22 at 3:40 pm to Pettifogger
Posted on 9/6/22 at 3:42 pm to GetCocky11
quote:you’re both right. It’s an interesting topic for sure
the more I realize that growing up in a small community with a strong sense of family would be ideal.
Except that most small communities are hollowed-out drug-infested shite holes now.
Posted on 9/6/22 at 3:43 pm to Earthquake 88
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My biggest problem is getting people to pass a drug test for weed
This seems to be the case across all industries with heavy machinery
Posted on 9/6/22 at 3:53 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
The reason small towns are not what they once were (there are plenty of small towns that are still nice btw) is because everybody that was able to graduate college did so and then decided they would rather live somewhere *more exciting* and make more money than stay and keep their hometown good for the future generations. Nobody cares about preserving the traditions that made them who they are. It is an internal problem. I see why they wanted to leave but ultimately it was their own fault.
Another reason people leave is because nafta got rid of lots of manufacturing, technology advancement made some jobs obsolete, and then wal mart and Amazon killed small town mom and pop businesses.
Another reason people leave is because nafta got rid of lots of manufacturing, technology advancement made some jobs obsolete, and then wal mart and Amazon killed small town mom and pop businesses.
Posted on 9/6/22 at 3:55 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
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don't need to pick up my own mediocre fast food because I can pay DoorDash to do it.
I don't need to take a subway to a club/bar/party because Uber will be here in 7 minutes.
How tf are these comparable to this
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No money?… LET'S LOOT!
Posted on 9/6/22 at 3:56 pm to tigerinthebueche
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Maybe so. But seems like most people are Trying to tell Jim what they will and won’t do rather than asking Jim what they can do to get what they want
I think that is a gross misunderstanding of the job market. For the most part, the best way to get a raise is to find a new job. So people are growing more accustomed to not working outside of their job description because there is no motivation to.
A job is a transaction, if you want employees to work harder then you need to pay them more. They are there for money.
Posted on 9/6/22 at 3:58 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
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We will have to make our basements bigger to accommodate all the kids who either can't afford or can't make the sacrifices needed to move out of their parent's houses.
So now we're blaming people for making smart financial decisions to stay with their parents until they can pay student loans/ save for a house.
What tf is up with this logic? I bet this same person will complain about Americans who live in debt.
Posted on 9/6/22 at 4:01 pm to Dire Wolf
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I think that is a gross misunderstanding of the job market. For the most part, the best way to get a raise is to find a new job. So people are growing more accustomed to not working outside of their job description because there is no motivation to. A job is a transaction, if you want employees to work harder then you need to pay them more. They are there for money.
And if you make the mistake of making yourself indispensable, there’s a non zero chance your old boss will try to tank your reference to your prospective employer. It’s hilarious to me that with all the power the employer has, they still have the nerve to cry about the one bit of power the employee has left: the power to leave.
Posted on 9/6/22 at 4:02 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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Salary workers continue to get boned by this as corporate profits and C Suite wages continue to increase at exponential levels.
I really think more companies should adopt the Costco model for wage guidelines. Executive pay is tied to employee pay. Executives sure as hell are not going to cut their own pay so they make sure their employees make enough. A 3-4 year cashier makes $28+/hr plus time and a half on Sundays... CEO still makes 8.5 million. Similar position at Walmart puts you at $12 an hour vs $25 million in CEO pay.
Posted on 9/6/22 at 4:03 pm to Pettifogger
quote:Because economies of scale are a real, unavoidable thing.
I don't think it helps that we shop at multinational retailers for bread.
No one is telling you not to go to your local baker for a loaf of bread. The reason you don't do it is because there are much cheaper options available.
Every dollar you spend is a vote for how you want the world to be, and who you want to run it.
Wanna save a buck a loaf? Go to Kroger. Wanna support your local bakery? Spend more there.
Posted on 9/6/22 at 4:09 pm to PaperTiger
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Corporations take more risk than the employee and its not even close
This is the problem. Corporations don't think employees are stakeholders and treat them as such. Employees, while they may not hold shares, absolutely have a stake in the success of the company. The problem is that corporations have forgotten this all together. Instead of acting as one you have a bunch of C-suite guys treating the employees as disposable pissants.
What they forget or if they ever knew... The workforce has power too. A shitload more power now than 10 years ago. Basically we have a couple of generations that aren't unionized, but have a united vision of corporate America and they aren't gonna put up with the bullshite when it is unnecessary. I don't need weekly meetings to set monthly meetings about stupid shite. Just call me or send me an email.
Posted on 9/6/22 at 4:15 pm to jdd48
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Someone that interviews alot was telling me the other day that the modern generations seem to think there's nothing at all wrong with answering texts in the middle of an interview.
F’ing this! I can’t tell you how many interviews I’ve cut short because the guy/gal wasn’t dressed appropriately or just appeared to have no interest in making a good impression.
Posted on 9/6/22 at 4:17 pm to Dire Wolf
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A job is a transaction, if you want employees to work harder then you need to pay them more. They are there for money.
I don't necessarily disagree. But employees need to remember their salary is only a portion of their cost of employment. I've heard that the cost to employ someone is about 1.5X their salary. Add in benefits- something all employees are quick to ask for- and you can understand the difficulty of an employer paying the employee what they "think" they should be paid.
I'm not defending either side. But I do have experience viewing it from a management perspective and its easy to understand that side too.
Posted on 9/6/22 at 4:39 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
Let's be honest here...Does anyone on this board truly want to go to work every day? Obviously, we suck it up, and some of us are better about sucking it up than others, but if given the choice, I would imagine everyone would sprint away from their jobs if they could afford it.
I think there is a generational divide here that is not just "young people = lazy." I think that the younger generation just feels it's ridiculous to have butts in seats for 40 hours a week, when that amount of time is usually not necessary to get the job done well. And, if the job can be done well from home, why force people to come into the office?
So a lot of it is not about getting out of the archaic mindset that the older generation has set regarding work.
I think there is a generational divide here that is not just "young people = lazy." I think that the younger generation just feels it's ridiculous to have butts in seats for 40 hours a week, when that amount of time is usually not necessary to get the job done well. And, if the job can be done well from home, why force people to come into the office?
So a lot of it is not about getting out of the archaic mindset that the older generation has set regarding work.
Posted on 9/6/22 at 4:42 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
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Wtf are you talking about? Customer service has absolutely gone to shite unless you’re dealing with high dollar stuff
As someone in a customer service-related field, I am guessing customer service representatives are probably just tired of being treated like garbage by customers while getting paid very little by companies.
Posted on 9/6/22 at 4:47 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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This isn't a new phenomenon. The roaring 20's, the hippies, the rave 80's, etc, etc. Young people have always tried to do as little as possible.
They only made the most relatable movie of all time about this decades ago.
Posted on 9/6/22 at 4:48 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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Everyone says this. Maybe he does, maybe he doesn't. I'm not inclined to believe you, but I'm not saying you are lying either
For the type of work my Dad’s company does, for the type of work that comes with an entry level position, and for the size of my Dad’s business, his starting pay is absolutely fair. He’s not paying minimum wage to even an entry-level guy.
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I agree with him
My Dad has two crews that work for him. Two guys per crew. So that’s four employees not including my Dad. It would be impossible for my Dad to give someone weeks of paid paternity leave. It would leave one crew working at half capacity for weeks. My Dad isn’t heartless. My Dad gave the guy several paid days off. It’s not like he made him work while his kid was born, but weeks of paid paternity leave simply isn’t possible.
This post was edited on 9/6/22 at 4:53 pm
Posted on 9/6/22 at 4:55 pm to pelicansfan123
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when that amount of time is usually not necessary to get the job done well. And, if the job can be done well from home, why force people to come into the office?
fair enough. But if they can get the job done at home in less time, why pay them the same salary they command "butts in seats" for 40 hours a week? Again, I think some employees forget that being at an office is a matter of accessibility to the employer. Not just productivity.
Posted on 9/6/22 at 5:03 pm to tigerinthebueche
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fair enough. But if they can get the job done at home in less time, why pay them the same salary they command "butts in seats" for 40 hours a week? Again, I think some employees forget that being at an office is a matter of accessibility to the employer. Not just productivity.
So have them test out offering a lower salary, and see if they get the same number/quality of employees.
You're simping awfully hard for companies here.
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