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re: Nobody wants to work anymore
Posted on 9/6/22 at 3:10 pm to jdd48
Posted on 9/6/22 at 3:10 pm to jdd48
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omeone that interviews alot was telling me the other day that the modern generations seem to think there's nothing at all wrong with answering texts in the middle of an interview
If a company expects me to answer work texts and emails after hours, then they better believe I am going to answer personal texts and emails on their time.
The biggest problem today is that jobs either only want employees to work part time to avoid paying benefits or they want them to work massive amounts of uncompensated overtime on nights and weekends while also being on call 24/7. It’s insane. People just don’t want to work 60 hrs/week for barely enough money to survive. People want to be able to leave work and leave their jobs behind them. Why don’t 40/hr jobs that pay enough to live on exist anywhere anymore?
Places complain that no one wants to work there. They complain that they’re understaffed. Then they work employees to death without paying them ot, offering them promotions or raises, and are then shocked when they leave. If they just hired enough folks in the first place to each be able to do a reasonable amount of work in 40 hours, and promoted from within, those folks wouldn’t constantly be cycling in and out.
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Posted on 9/6/22 at 3:12 pm to tigerinthebueche
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sounds like you should start your own business. Then you can run it any way you want. But if Jim is your boss, you're probably gonna have to do it Jim's way.
no, just got a different job. Same can be said for other 9 sales reps that company has lost in the last 5 years.
"Jim" is probably still hosting sales meetings complaining about full commissioned sales reps not being in the office at 3pm on Friday and wondering why there is turnover.
Posted on 9/6/22 at 3:13 pm to JohnnyKilroy
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In the year 2022 in the United states of America?
I believe so. Corporations take more risk than the employee and its not even close. What makes you disagree?
Posted on 9/6/22 at 3:13 pm to Upperdecker
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We had a poster this weekend talking about how he wants to quit work at 38 and spend all his 401k then off himself
Posted on 9/6/22 at 3:14 pm to kingbob
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then they better believe I am going to answer personal texts and emails on their time.
Yeah but... In the middle of being interviewed for a job?
Posted on 9/6/22 at 3:16 pm to msutiger
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I never know where to fall on this issue. Young graduates are entitled shitheads but also frick most corporations who don’t really give a shite about their employees.
I think you know exactly where to fall
We need people to get past their pride and work for a living
But we also need corporations, government, media, etc. to help us restore the dignity in work thought to be not meaningful.
Why would a clerk at small grocer 35 years ago probably feel a lot differently about the job than a clerk at Kroger now? Probably because he/she felt like she was helping a small business thrive, in a community he/she cares about, and helping people he/she might actually know get food to go feed their family.
People are completely disconnected from outcomes now, they're a cog in a behemoth. We can't completely unwind that, of course, but I don't think it helps that we shop at multinational retailers for bread.
Posted on 9/6/22 at 3:16 pm to msutiger
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I never know where to fall on this issue. Young graduates are entitled shitheads but also frick most corporations who don’t really give a shite about their employees.
I don’t think just young people feel this way about how companies treat them. I manage over 150 employees. I’ve got some great young employees. They like making money. I take pride in watching them take on more responsibility and move up the ladder. At my company I’ll promote a young kid over an older employee if the kid is the best candidate for the job. I don’t care what age, color, or gender you are it’s who can I trust unsupervised to get the job done right. I’m a firm believer in the cream rises to the top. My biggest problem is getting people to pass a drug test for weed. I don’t want my machinery operators, forklift drivers, or my truck drivers high at work. But I honestly don’t care what they do from 5:00 PM to say around 1:00 AM. I just need everyone clear headed during working hours. Accidents or fatalities can happen at any given moment but if something horrible happens I need you not stoned or drunk on the job.
Posted on 9/6/22 at 3:17 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
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When did it become a case that getting up early and coming home late was unacceptable when building a resumé?
The flip side of this coin is that some businesses use and abuse employees using this right here as some sort of guide to getting promoted.
There's a middle ground here somewhere.
Posted on 9/6/22 at 3:18 pm to SG_Geaux
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Yeah but... In the middle of being interviewed for a job?
It’s an addiction.
I had a student ask for help on an essay a few weeks ago. Literally in the middle of me explaining something to her, she drifted to her phone and started typing something. I just got up and walked off.
Someone sitting next to her laughed at her and pointed it out. The girl had completely zoned out and forgotten that I was helping her.
I don’t judge though. I’m awful about my phone as well.
Posted on 9/6/22 at 3:21 pm to Pettifogger
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People are completely disconnected from outcomes now, they're a cog in a behemoth.
100% agree.
The further in life I get along, the more I realize that growing up in a small community with a strong sense of family would be ideal.
We’re completely hellbent on climbing the ladder, moving across the country, and providing more opportunities for our kids. Everyone seems to be pretty miserable about it. In debt. Lack of roots. Godless. It’s sad.
Posted on 9/6/22 at 3:21 pm to Earthquake 88
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I just need everyone clear headed during working hours. Accidents or fatalities can happen at any given moment but if something horrible happens I need you not stoned or drunk on the job.
I just own a landscape company and do most of the work myself with sons occasionally helping. Buddy of mine owns a roofing business and what you stated is a major problem
Posted on 9/6/22 at 3:24 pm to StringedInstruments
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the more I realize that growing up in a small community with a strong sense of family would be ideal.
Except that most small communities are hollowed-out drug-infested shite holes now.
Posted on 9/6/22 at 3:24 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
My Dad owns a small business in the construction industry. It is incredibly hard to find people to do that kind of work. He pays a good starting pay, but still, it is difficult despite no requirement of previous experience. Younger men who he has hired have been the worst and few of them last more than a few months.
One of the younger guys who recently quit one morning told the guy he works under (who has worked for my Dad for a long time) that my Dad should have given him (the younger guy) paid paternity leave when his wife had their baby. My Dad gave him several days off, some of which were paid even though my Dad was under no obligation to pay him for those days, and yet that is the attitude the guy had.
One of the younger guys who recently quit one morning told the guy he works under (who has worked for my Dad for a long time) that my Dad should have given him (the younger guy) paid paternity leave when his wife had their baby. My Dad gave him several days off, some of which were paid even though my Dad was under no obligation to pay him for those days, and yet that is the attitude the guy had.
This post was edited on 9/6/22 at 3:25 pm
Posted on 9/6/22 at 3:25 pm to GetCocky11
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Except that most small communities are hollowed-out drug-infested shite holes now.
Oh absolutely. I’m just talking idealistic. Civilization seems to bring nothing but pain. We should have stayed hunter gatherers.
Posted on 9/6/22 at 3:25 pm to MightyYat
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They want coffee bars and personal chef cafeterias in the lobby.
We don't even have a coffee maker in our office.
Posted on 9/6/22 at 3:26 pm to PaperTiger
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Corporations take more risk than the employee and its not even close. What makes you disagree?
That isn’t what you originally said
Posted on 9/6/22 at 3:31 pm to tigerinthebueche
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But if Jim is your boss, you're probably gonna have to do it Jim's way.
Sure, but Jim is going to be the one crying about loyalty when his employees all quit to get a job with a better working environment.
Posted on 9/6/22 at 3:34 pm to GetCocky11
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Except that most small communities are hollowed-out drug-infested shite holes now.
You're right, but it's chicken-egg.
For a long time, I thought if we could only get to a point where professionals could work in a small town remotely, those towns could thrive and so could the people. We talked about it a lot as we went through the COVID saga.
But the more I listen to disenchanted Americans, the more I conclude it might go far beyond that. I think increasingly some professionals and high earners would be willing to give up higher paying jobs and even the concept of professional livelihoods to live in a community of like minded people who care about the same things - their kids, their churches, clean communities, safety, etc.
We've let money become a proxy for those things, such that you too often have to "buy in" to the life you want when that life was pretty standard fare a few generations ago. It shouldn't be like that. I realize much of this is pie in the sky stuff, but I do think we're in the midst of quite a bit of reconsideration by normal people of what they want out of life, and there are probably some opportunities here.
Posted on 9/6/22 at 3:38 pm to Epic Cajun
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Sure, but Jim is going to be the one crying about loyalty when his employees all quit to get a job with a better working environment.
Maybe so. But seems like most people are
Trying to tell Jim what they will and won’t do rather than asking Jim what they can do to get what they want.
Posted on 9/6/22 at 3:39 pm to Roll Tide Ravens
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He pays a good starting pay
Everyone says this. Maybe he does, maybe he doesn't. I'm not inclined to believe you, but I'm not saying you are lying either.
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One of the younger guys who recently quit one morning told the guy he works under (who has worked for my Dad for a long time) that my Dad should have given him (the younger guy) paid paternity leave when his wife had their baby.
I agree with him
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