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re: No, we should not send our military to Ukraine. But can we speak the truth?
Posted on 2/24/22 at 8:53 am to Antonio Moss
Posted on 2/24/22 at 8:53 am to Antonio Moss
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This post was edited on 2/25/22 at 12:59 pm
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Posted on 2/24/22 at 8:53 am to HottyToddy7
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You do realize that there was a deal at the end of the cold war where Russia would allow the unification of Germany on the condition that NATO would not expand into Eastern Europe. The US agreed to this. 30 years later that is out the window. If you were Putin would you trust any of the western powers? Would you not set your country up to defend itself?
That deal was reneged within a year or two
Posted on 2/24/22 at 8:54 am to Gaggle
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You have no idea why Russia and the Kremlin are bad. It's just what you are told.
The frick
Posted on 2/24/22 at 8:54 am to Antonio Moss
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Libya 2011 Ukraine 2014 Syria 2014 (attempted and failed)
So that gives Putin the right to invade Ukraine?
Posted on 2/24/22 at 8:54 am to Slippy
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we should not send our military to Ukraine
Agree, but I have no problem with imposing the most crippling sanctions we can on the Russian government. I think we should even try to freeze up the international monies and interests of ultra-wealthy Russians in order to force them to put pressure on Putin.
Posted on 2/24/22 at 8:55 am to LeClerc
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None of this justifies Putin invading Ukraine.
Again, your vast ignorance of all things foreign politics makes you incapable of viewing outside of black and white.
I'm not justifying anything about Putin. I am pointing out our vast corruption and poor foreign policy are the most modern catalysts for this event.
Posted on 2/24/22 at 8:55 am to Roll Tide Ravens
I think this is what is coming. If you look at Germany they are very angry over the Schroeder situation.
This post was edited on 2/24/22 at 8:56 am
Posted on 2/24/22 at 8:56 am to LeClerc
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And Ukraine gave up her nukes to become a sovereign state.
And? We are talking about reasons why Putin is invading Ukraine. Not whether it is justified or not. We are just laying out scenarios that are different than Putin is a mad man that wants the old USSR back for his own glory. there are other reasons for this.
Posted on 2/24/22 at 8:56 am to LeClerc
Just read Putin’s own words…
So let me get this straight…
After hearing that you decide to buy all of your gas from Russia and then proceed to encourage Ukraine to join NATO. frick around with ukraine’s government. Then are shocked when Putin invades.
That’s next level dumb
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The Russian president returned to the subject in his March 18, 2014, Kremlin speech justifying Russia’s illegal annexation of Crimea: “… they [Western leaders] have lied to us many times, made decisions behind our backs, placed before us an accomplished fact. This happened with NATO’s expansion to the east, as well as the deployment of military infrastructure at our borders.” Although it has been clear for several years that the Alliance has no appetite for putting Ukraine on a membership track, Putin went on to express horror at the prospect of NATO forces in Crimea: Russian inaction “would have meant that NATO’s navy would be right there in this city of Russia’s military glory [Sevastopol], and this would create not an illusory but a perfectly real threat to the whole of southern Russia.”
So let me get this straight…
After hearing that you decide to buy all of your gas from Russia and then proceed to encourage Ukraine to join NATO. frick around with ukraine’s government. Then are shocked when Putin invades.
That’s next level dumb
This post was edited on 2/24/22 at 8:58 am
Posted on 2/24/22 at 8:56 am to Antonio Moss
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I'm not justifying anything about Putin. I am pointing out our vast corruption and poor foreign policy are the most modern catalysts for this event.
As well as Russia’s
For political and geographical posturing of course the US would want Ukraine to be on “our” side. Why is that just a horror to some
This post was edited on 2/24/22 at 8:58 am
Posted on 2/24/22 at 8:57 am to upgrayedd
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the typical democrat isn't capable of rational, critical thought without overbearing emotion.
As someone who hates republicans and democrats equally
This is the pot calling the kettle black
Posted on 2/24/22 at 8:57 am to cahoots
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I mean, the push to enlarge NATO and push Ukraine out of Russia's orbit started well before that. It really goes back to Bill's administration. What we have seen since then is mostly a continuation of the same policies meant to bring Ukraine closer to the US and western Europe.
It did not start with the Obama admin. And it did not end with the Bush admin.
No doubt.
The Russian-Ukraine history goes back centuries. I'm simply pointing out the most recent political meddling by the US.
Posted on 2/24/22 at 8:57 am to greenwave
Russia is the ENEMY. Even though Obama laughed at that a few years ago. That's all the media needs you to know, the one thing we can't even debate with you blowing a socket, is they're the bad guy. Russia is bad. That's the message the masses need to get right now.
Posted on 2/24/22 at 8:57 am to HottyToddy7
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And? We are talking about reasons why Putin is invading Ukraine.
Putin never got over Yanukovych being booted out.
That is why he is invading Ukraine.
Posted on 2/24/22 at 8:57 am to Antonio Moss
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I am pointing out our vast corruption and poor foreign policy are the most modern catalysts for this event.
Russia failed to shift to capitalism post Cold War and were then outmaneuvered by the West in their own back yard for influence over the economic futures of most of the former Soviet states. Now their economy is failing and one dimensional, putting Russia into an even further decline. This invasion is an act of desperation.
Posted on 2/24/22 at 8:59 am to Gaggle
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That's the message the masses need to get right now.
This is propaganda 101. We need to educate the masses with facts and let them come to their own conclusions.
Posted on 2/24/22 at 8:59 am to Draconian Sanctions
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Now their economy is failing and one dimensional
So why did europe chose to support this one dimensional economy and become completely reliant on it?
Posted on 2/24/22 at 9:00 am to LeClerc
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So that gives Putin the right to invade Ukraine?
What do you not understand about this?
People have been giving you examples of how the US has been overthrowing governments through sponsored coups in the region for 2 decades and then those places descend into chaos and cause major issues for the surrounding areas. Moss pointed out how the US did the same thing in Ukraine and you're still wondering why he wants a buffer from that? This isn't high speed shite to try to grasp.
Posted on 2/24/22 at 9:00 am to GetCocky11
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Putin never got over Yanukovych being booted out.
That is why he is invading Ukraine.
Well, yeah.
When the biggest military threat to your country starts toppling your neighbors' governments, installing their own people, and threatening your military holdings, it tends to stick with you.
Posted on 2/24/22 at 9:00 am to Draconian Sanctions
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One of the most bizarre aspects of this whole thing is how some people in this country have turned into Putin fanboys and started parroting Russian talking points.
Putin isn't a good guy, but any means. But pointing out this situation is a direct result of having a very weak administration currently in power here is hardly a Russian talking point- it is the truth.
We are in a bad spot- and we have the wrong people in place who are half-assing our bidding for us.
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