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re: No, we should not send our military to Ukraine. But can we speak the truth?
Posted on 2/24/22 at 8:46 am to Proximo
Posted on 2/24/22 at 8:46 am to Proximo
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You think the US wasn’t involved even AFTER finding out Biden was making millions off Burisma in Ukraine as a front ? Remember when he had the Ukrainian president fire the prosecutor for looking into it?
None of this justifies an invasion
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Posted on 2/24/22 at 8:47 am to Antonio Moss
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Also, Viktor Yanukovych was an a-hole.
So is Biden. That doesn't mean a foreign power has the right to come into the US and overthrow our democracy.
2014 was an internal revolution in Ukraine.
Posted on 2/24/22 at 8:47 am to Antonio Moss
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Sure, if you completely ignore that the Ukraine oligarchs with a significant financial interest in EU trade agreements were the highest donors to the Clinton Foundation between 2009 and 2013 (while Hilary was Secretary of State). If you completely ignore that US policy on Ukraine changed under Clinton in 2012 to a policy of financial intervention and support for regime change. If you completely ignore that the US financially supported the antagonist of the 2014 coup. If you completely ignore that key operatives were placed into the Ukraine government following the coup (especially financial sectors) by the US government. If you completely ignore that US political family members were given political positions that resulted in million-dollar salaries by these same political operatives and donors.
As long as you completely ignore all of that, your line of thinking makes sense.
Bro, we're the good guys here. That stuff you posted is irrelevant because Russia spent $250k on Facebook ads and made people vote for Trump. DS told me so.
Posted on 2/24/22 at 8:47 am to Draconian Sanctions
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Of course not but that wouldn’t justify invasion
We would have had boots on the ground in Cuba in a matter of hours.
Posted on 2/24/22 at 8:48 am to Gaggle
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No it's just this whole "we must universally condemn this and if you disagree you're an anti American traitor"
I never said you’re anti-American, just that you’re promoting Kremlin talking points which is weird and kind of sad.
Posted on 2/24/22 at 8:48 am to GetCocky11
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2014 was an internal revolution in Ukraine
Posted on 2/24/22 at 8:48 am to Antonio Moss
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So you think the U.S. would be cool if Russia overthrew the Cuban government, installed their own puppet government in Cuba, and then threatened to take Guantanamo Bay?
Where did we do that? Countries that joined NATO were not "overthrown" by the U.S. They were not pressured into joining. They themselves wanted protection from Russia so what's happening to Ukraine wouldn't happen to them.
Posted on 2/24/22 at 8:49 am to Draconian Sanctions
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None of this justifies an invasion
From your perspective.
If Putin was fricking around in Mexico and having people in their government fired and trying to install people he likes I’m sure you wouldn’t be concerned.
It’s absolutely baffling how some of you can’t put yourself in the other person’s shoes.
I’m not justifying Putin’s actions, I’m simply saying, we started this and we enabled him.
Posted on 2/24/22 at 8:49 am to Antonio Moss
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2014 was an internal revolution in Ukraine
It's unreal
Posted on 2/24/22 at 8:50 am to Draconian Sanctions
Why are you people so obsessed with Fox
Posted on 2/24/22 at 8:50 am to Antonio Moss
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Sure, if you completely ignore that the Ukraine oligarchs with a significant financial interest in EU trade agreements were the highest donors to the Clinton Foundation between 2009 and 2013 (while Hilary was Secretary of State). If you completely ignore that US policy on Ukraine changed under Clinton in 2012 to a policy of financial intervention and support for regime change. If you completely ignore that the US financially supported the antagonist of the 2014 coup. If you completely ignore that key operatives were placed into the Ukraine government following the coup (especially financial sectors) by the US government. If you completely ignore that US political family members were given political positions that resulted in million-dollar salaries by these same political operatives and donors. As long as you completely ignore all of that, your line of thinking makes sense.
None of this justifies Putin invading Ukraine.
Posted on 2/24/22 at 8:50 am to LeClerc
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Where did we do that? Countries that joined NATO were not "overthrown" by the U.S. They were not pressured into joining. They themselves wanted protection from Russia so what's happening to Ukraine wouldn't happen to them.
You do realize that there was a deal at the end of the cold war where Russia would allow the unification of Germany on the condition that NATO would not expand into Eastern Europe. The US agreed to this. 30 years later that is out the window. If you were Putin would you trust any of the western powers? Would you not set your country up to defend itself?
Posted on 2/24/22 at 8:50 am to Draconian Sanctions
quote:You have no idea why Russia and the Kremlin are bad. It's just what you are told.
I never said you’re anti-American, just that you’re promoting Kremlin talking points which is weird and kind of sad.
Posted on 2/24/22 at 8:51 am to LeClerc
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Where did we do that? Countries that joined NATO were not "overthrown" by the U.S. They were not pressured into joining. They themselves wanted protection from Russia so what's happening to Ukraine wouldn't happen to them.
While this is true in some respects, to be fair the US has been involved in regime change and election meddling in the region. That’s just a fact.
But even so that isn’t sufficient justification for what Putin is doing.
Posted on 2/24/22 at 8:51 am to LeClerc
Yeah I don’t think people realize most politicians are corrupt on some level. Some just a lot worse than others. We can nit pick everything all day.
This post was edited on 2/24/22 at 8:53 am
Posted on 2/24/22 at 8:52 am to LeClerc
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Where did we do that?
Libya 2011
Ukraine 2014
Syria 2014 (attempted and failed)
Posted on 2/24/22 at 8:52 am to Gaggle
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You have no idea why Russia and the Kremlin are bad.
I need to explain why an autocratic system is bad?
Posted on 2/24/22 at 8:53 am to HottyToddy7
And Ukraine gave up her nukes to become a sovereign state.
Posted on 2/24/22 at 8:53 am to Draconian Sanctions
You don't need anything explained. They used the scary words.
Posted on 2/24/22 at 8:53 am to Gaggle
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You have no idea why Russia and the Kremlin are bad. It's just what you are told.
What?
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