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re: No nukes: Who wins if the Air Force and Navy were to fight each other?

Posted on 7/21/18 at 4:07 pm to
Posted by AA77
Member since Jan 2016
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Posted on 7/21/18 at 4:07 pm to
Yes the US Navy has never hit an inland target and they do not have the capabilities of doing it.







Posted by The Boat
Member since Oct 2008
178333 posts
Posted on 7/21/18 at 4:18 pm to
Who wins in a fight between a quarter and a half dollar?
Posted by TigerStripes06
SWLA
Member since Sep 2006
30032 posts
Posted on 7/21/18 at 4:20 pm to
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Navy airplanes don’t have near the range that airforce planes do.


Navy submarines have more range than either. And so do their missiles.
Posted by weagle99
Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 7/21/18 at 4:20 pm to
Posted by Scoobie
Member since Jul 2017
188 posts
Posted on 7/21/18 at 4:26 pm to
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The marines aren’t part of the navy


Posted by ladyluckUGA
Member since Feb 2014
6432 posts
Posted on 7/21/18 at 4:43 pm to
No nukes, you say, but my AF vet hubby says they got B52 bombers, Navy can’t carry daisy cutters on an F-18

Posted by Korin
Member since Jan 2014
37935 posts
Posted on 7/21/18 at 4:56 pm to
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Air Force wins since they can hit the navy, but the navy can’t hit their inland bases.

Navy has fixed wing aircraft too...
Posted by Tortious
ATX
Member since Nov 2010
5770 posts
Posted on 7/21/18 at 5:06 pm to
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there is some debate in the thread if they are actually part of the Navy.



Department of the Navy. Separate service under the same department.
Posted by Palm Beach Tiger
Orlando, Florida
Member since Jan 2007
30116 posts
Posted on 7/21/18 at 5:08 pm to
There is no debate. Marines are part of the Navy. The Navy will just flat out have too many resources in this. Navy is the answer.
Posted by CBandits82
Lurker since May 2008
Member since May 2012
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Posted on 7/21/18 at 5:28 pm to
Navy 100%
Posted by JPinLondon
not in London (currently NW Ohio)
Member since Nov 2006
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Posted on 7/21/18 at 5:51 pm to
Posted by Webster23
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2015
266 posts
Posted on 7/21/18 at 5:51 pm to
Navy. They have the marines
Posted by TOSOV
Member since Jan 2016
8922 posts
Posted on 7/21/18 at 6:31 pm to
$2,981,000/each

Would be interesting to learn what the mark up is on them.

Funny thing is that retail is $2,999,999.99/each, and someone got them reduced just 19k/each.
Posted by TigerintheNO
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2004
45422 posts
Posted on 7/21/18 at 6:58 pm to
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Navy.

Clown question.

Navy - Aircraft carriers
Navy - top of the line fighter pilots and jets
Navy - Marines
Navy - Seals
Navy - Boats
Navy - Sailors

Air Force - Pilots and Jets

Advantage Navy



don't forget about all of the subs, would give the AF some problems
Posted by IceTiger
Really hot place
Member since Oct 2007
26584 posts
Posted on 7/21/18 at 7:06 pm to
Navy can't hit Minot...

Air Force
Posted by TigerstuckinMS
Member since Nov 2005
33687 posts
Posted on 7/21/18 at 7:21 pm to
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Navy can't hit Minot...

Air Force

No nukes. It's literally the first two words of the title.

If the Air Force wants to play Holocaust Horseshoes, though, it makes it much easier for the Navy because the Navy has 14 of these, each WAY more mobile than Minot. Also, they're capable of hiding under 75% of the Earth's surface where Minot is pretty much limited to hiding in Minot. Oh, they're also each armed with more than enough nuclear warheads to make North Dakota go away from a distance of 7500 miles.



If we're playing Kooky Nukey, then the Navy just randomly sails around a few thousand miles offshore and lets the Boomers turn every AFB into highly radioactive glass.
This post was edited on 7/21/18 at 7:54 pm
Posted by Volvagia
Fort Worth
Member since Mar 2006
53599 posts
Posted on 7/21/18 at 7:22 pm to
Navy and it’s not even close on paper.

What the Navy loses in being able to go straight up against the AF they gain in versatility. Partially due to having ground troops (although people treating them as a kind of surrogate army is hilarious) but also able to hide some of their air bases towards a he end of the AF’s legs and keep him behind the best air defense systems on the planet.

Only part I’ll be insterested to see is if they go on the aggressive or consolidate power from the inland NASs which are indefensible long term.
Posted by weagle99
Member since Nov 2011
35893 posts
Posted on 7/21/18 at 7:51 pm to
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Navy and it’s not even close on paper.


People are acting like the Navy would just stroll through this.

Navy might win but they would cross the finish line severly fricked up. Numerous carriers would be sunk. AF has ICBMs. And many more aircraft.

What reconnaissance does Navy have in the air to match the AF stealth and satelites? Lots of airstrips around the country and world the AF could commandeer and move assets to. How would the Navy even know this is happening?
This post was edited on 7/21/18 at 7:55 pm
Posted by TigerstuckinMS
Member since Nov 2005
33687 posts
Posted on 7/21/18 at 7:55 pm to
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AF has ICBMs.

YOU.
SAID.
NO.
NUKES.

Also, pray tell, how does an ICBM hit something the size of a warship that's moving erratically at 30 knots on the open ocean when there's a half hour flight time? They're BALLISTIC warheads with inertial and astral navigation on the launch vehicle and limited terminal guidance on the warhead. They're designed to land within a few hundred meters of a defined point somewhere on the planet and detonate a nuclear device reasonably near that defined point on the planet. They're pretty much the opposite of precision weapons; they're not laser guided bombs capable of steering themselves through a window.

Even if you were lobbing nuclear darts, by the time the warhead arrived at its target a half hour after launch, any Naval ship that was there would be ten miles away and in zero danger, outside of fallout if they're downwind. Even if you knew what part of the ocean to saturate with warheads to get the surface fleet, the Boomers will still wipe out the entire Air Force all on their lonesome. Sure, some planes may get off the ground, but their bases will be smoldering radioactive craters.
This post was edited on 7/21/18 at 8:25 pm
Posted by northshorebamaman
Mackinac Island
Member since Jul 2009
38567 posts
Posted on 7/21/18 at 7:55 pm to
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AF has ICBMs.


well, in this scenario, they'd have to be armed with conventional explosives.
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