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re: No nukes: Who wins if the Air Force and Navy were to fight each other?
Posted on 7/22/18 at 7:59 am to BayouFann
Posted on 7/22/18 at 7:59 am to BayouFann
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The United States Navy is globally the single most powerful force to ever exist
Thread isn’t saying that.
For instance, if it were Navy vs Army it’s a stand off. Navy couldn’t defeat them, and Army doesn’t have the tools to touch the Navy’s vessels.
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Posted on 7/22/18 at 8:05 am to weagle99
Prior submariner here...
The sub force alone could take out the vast majority of Air Force assets.
Our own navy can’t find our subs. It is literally impossible to find a boomer when she turns off the reactor coolant pumps and shifts to natural circulation.
We’d do drills with the surface fleet and they’d confine is to wiithin a specific depth range, specific grid, we’d turn on an artificial noise maker, and have a guy bang on the hatch every few minutes. All in an effort to give the surface fleet a slim chance of finding us. They never could. And that was on a Los Angeles class, yet alone the sound silencing on an Ohio or Virginia.
The Air Force has absolutely 0 chance of finding one of our subs.
Navy>>>>Air Force.
The sub force alone could take out the vast majority of Air Force assets.
Our own navy can’t find our subs. It is literally impossible to find a boomer when she turns off the reactor coolant pumps and shifts to natural circulation.
We’d do drills with the surface fleet and they’d confine is to wiithin a specific depth range, specific grid, we’d turn on an artificial noise maker, and have a guy bang on the hatch every few minutes. All in an effort to give the surface fleet a slim chance of finding us. They never could. And that was on a Los Angeles class, yet alone the sound silencing on an Ohio or Virginia.
The Air Force has absolutely 0 chance of finding one of our subs.
Navy>>>>Air Force.
Posted on 7/22/18 at 8:20 am to weagle99
Weagle starts another dumb thread
Not surprised
Not surprised
Posted on 7/22/18 at 8:56 am to weagle99
Navy gets distracted by all the dick sucking aboard and rams their boats into cargo ships, rendering them useless. The submarines fill up with semen and sink. The carriers deck’s get ruined by the excess semen and the naval aviators aren’t able to take off or land.
USMC chokes on their crayons at the news that the navy is dead
Air Force complains about having to do something and they all hang themselves
Army gets a kick out of all of this and dies when trying autoerotic asphyxiation
All of the branches rely on one another. The US military must stay united.
USMC chokes on their crayons at the news that the navy is dead
Air Force complains about having to do something and they all hang themselves
Army gets a kick out of all of this and dies when trying autoerotic asphyxiation
All of the branches rely on one another. The US military must stay united.
Posted on 7/22/18 at 9:05 am to TheGasMan
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It is literally impossible to find a boomer when she turns off the reactor coolant pumps and shifts to natural circulation.
Actually I have heard that subs have become too quiet. They are actually quieter than ambient sea noise and the “black holes” can be noticed.
Granted, You need AAA submarine sonar equipment and crew that pretty much only the Americans and maybe the British have to work at that level.
But literally impossible is a little strong term.
It’s not like a boomer can just turn off the pumps without first clearing datum and they are invisible.
This post was edited on 7/22/18 at 9:08 am
Posted on 7/22/18 at 9:41 am to olgoi khorkhoi
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send the Marines in to hop from AFB to AFB. They wait until the Air Force takes its ice cream break, and then kill anyone to death that the Tomahawks didn't get.
I laughed until I couldn't breathe.
Literally the only reason I got into this thread was to make the "ice cream break" and "Air Force on leave" jokes in my first post and then get out. But I stayed too long and got drawn in.
This post was edited on 7/22/18 at 9:44 am
Posted on 7/22/18 at 10:10 am to TigerstuckinMS
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No nukes. It's literally the first two words of the title.
Do you even CALCM, bro?
Posted on 7/22/18 at 10:13 am to TheGasMan
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The Air Force has absolutely 0 chance of finding one of our subs.
Offutt might disagree...or they might not?
Posted on 7/22/18 at 10:14 am to kingbob
quote:yes.. even without nukes..... conventionally loaded ICBMs and cruise missiles...
Navy were to fight each other?
Air Force wins since they can hit the navy, but the navy can’t hit their inland bases.
Posted on 7/22/18 at 10:16 am to weagle99
I think I speak for all Marines when I say we do not have the Navy’s back in this slap fight. We’ll be slamming beers at the barracks fighting each other if anyone needs us.
Posted on 7/22/18 at 10:34 am to jfturner212
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I think I speak for all Marines when I say we do not have the Navy’s back in this slap fight. We’ll be slamming beers at the barracks fighting each other if anyone needs us.
Who's gonna deliver your crayons, though? It sure as hell won't be the Army or the Coast Guard, so you're gonna need to pick a horse in this race.
This post was edited on 7/22/18 at 10:35 am
Posted on 7/22/18 at 3:01 pm to Volvagia
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I’m still chuckling at you thinking we would have so many ships equipped with a long strike weapon that becomes a million dollar paperweight if a handful of fragile and exposed satellites are damaged.
Chuckle all you want. I happen to have worked on those very guidance systems and am well aware of what portion the AF controls and can interfere with.
The Soviets couldn’t do what the USAF can because they were on the outside looking in. The Airforce in on the inside looking out with the keys to the door.
Your guess on how the guidance works is off a little big ways. I was a guy who lit up targets for a living from ‘87 to ‘91.
Posted on 7/22/18 at 3:30 pm to weagle99
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Former Naval Aviator here, and Sir, you are sadly misinformed. The USAF has anti-ship capable F-15E, B-2, and rotary launch capable B1B's and B52's. Bye-bye aircraft carriers, bye-bye Naval Strike capabilities, bye-bye LHA's, which means bye-bye USMC aircraft and MEU's. Even if a Strike Package managed to get airborne, F-18's consume fuel like an alcoholic consumes booze. By the way, who refuels Navy aircraft, USAF KC-135'sand KC-10's. And iiifff, you managed to get close to a target, the F-18 is absolutely no match for USAF F-22's, F-16's, and even forty year old F-15's. It's a glaring deficiency in Naval Aviation. USN carriers cannot get into strike range because of modern Russian and Chinese anti ship missiles. So the strike package has to be refueled with tanker packaged equipped F-18's. Not ideal. Also, naval aviation has been asking for a dedicated air superiority fighter like the F-14, instead they got the overweight navalized boondoggle that is the F-35C.
So says the Navy guy, game over.
Posted on 7/22/18 at 3:40 pm to Mid Iowa Tiger
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the Marines (aka Crayon eaters)
Posted on 7/22/18 at 4:44 pm to RedlandsTiger
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So says the Navy guy, game over.
Navy guy here
The flyboy is missing one key component.
Naval submarines can deliver tomahawks and SEALs to any place on the planet within 800 miles of a body of water including rivers
Not very many places the AF can hide their precious planes.
Furthermore, the EF-18 Growler is one of the most sophisticated electronic countermeasures platforms in the US military arsenal. EC would play a huge factor
The treacherous flyboy is too overly biased by his thoughts on the Hornet to see our other mission capabilities
The Navy has a much more diverse fighting force and would make mincemeat of the AF
But here’s the secret no one knows... Wanna beat the AF in one clean and easy way?...Blow up their precious golf courses and you’ll take the fight right out of those little powderpuffs
This post was edited on 7/22/18 at 4:46 pm
Posted on 7/22/18 at 5:04 pm to starsandstripes
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Seattle to Minot about 700mi + Carrier 100mi = 800mi
F18 range 1000mi + tomahawk range 700mi = Minot destroyed
Effective combat radius of an F-18 E/F is roughly 400nmi , when figuring various munitions weight, fuel pounds, forecast winds aloft, and a built in fuel safety, it's less.
A 1000 mile strike package would require at a minimum 3-4 refuelings, inbound and outbound. Not including the top offs required after launch and sometimes prior to recovery. If the weather is shite at recovery, and depending on how many aircraft are in the bolter/waive-off pattern, your going to have to top off.
USN alone does not have that long range refueling capability.
This post was edited on 7/22/18 at 5:06 pm
Posted on 7/22/18 at 5:10 pm to kingbob
I will say the AF has a huge advantage in the air to air game. More advanced fighter aircraft and unlimited range due to all of the 3 and 4 engine tankers being Air Force planes. Not to mention the Air Force has way more fighter aircraft and operate many more types. Most of the Navy aircraft would be destroyed beyond visual range by F-22's. The Super Hornet only has a chance of locked in a dogfight. Once the AF eliminates all the Naval fighters, it comes down to nuclear subs, surface ships and AF air arsenal.
Posted on 7/22/18 at 5:28 pm to Mid Iowa Tiger
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I happen to have worked on those very guidance systems and am well aware of what portion the AF controls and can interfere with.
Yes or no.
Are Tomahawks systems completely non functional if you turn off GPS. Not “degraded accuracy.” Not the AF somehow making the missile think it is somewhere it is not (off, remember?) Non functional.
This post was edited on 7/22/18 at 5:37 pm
Posted on 7/23/18 at 7:31 pm to Volvagia
The Navy has the globe covered with combat my friend.
Posted on 7/23/18 at 7:36 pm to TigerstuckinMS
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The Navy, and it isn't even close. First, the Navy stays far offshore and sends the subs in with those nifty Tomahawks to decimate the AFBs and the Air Force's command and control structure within 1000 miles of the beach.
Then they move the carriers closer to the beach once it's safe and send the Marines in to hop from AFB to AFB. They wait until the Air Force takes its ice cream break, and then kill anyone to death that the Tomahawks didn't get. The air wings provide high cover from carrier ops. Then the Seabees come behind to repair the runways.
Finally, the Navy can send their air wings onshore once it's safe to land to continue to provide CAS for the Marines as they march inland.
Sure, the Air Force has some high-tech planes that are going to kill a lot of Navy boys and their aircraft, but once things like the F-22 are on their own without CAC structure/JWACS, etc. to support it, it is useless.
The United States Navy as a whole is the single greatest killing force this planet has ever devised.
There's a reason the president wants to know where the carrier groups are and doesn't ask "Where's the Air Force on leave at?" when shite hits the fan.
*freedom boner intensifies*
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