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re: New Orleans Council proposal would halt some short-term rentals, including some licensed

Posted on 5/21/18 at 10:21 pm to
Posted by Dizz
Member since May 2008
16220 posts
Posted on 5/21/18 at 10:21 pm to
In Bywater and the Marigy there streets where the majority of homes are exclusively short term rentals. This is a problem for residents.
Posted by Napoleon
Kenna
Member since Dec 2007
74890 posts
Posted on 5/21/18 at 11:22 pm to
I have a lot of customers with multiple houses only used for AirBnb. All over too. Next to Jesuit, by Freret, marigny, mid city, quarter. Most live out of state.

You make 2-3 times what you can get renting it monthly.
Posted by Ford Frenzy
337 posts
Member since Aug 2010
6922 posts
Posted on 5/22/18 at 12:09 am to
The simpleton answer is to have the Abnb owners billed for their residents complaints and let them figure out how much the weekend rent is really worth and to let it work itself out
Posted by TigerStripes06
SWLA
Member since Sep 2006
30032 posts
Posted on 5/22/18 at 12:33 am to
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New Orleans is a tourist destination, not denying that, however, I’m against having the tourist take over the residential areas. Let them have Downtown. That’s all they know and come here for anyway.


I don’t go to New Orleans to go to fricking bourbon or the quarter. I like experiencing different neighborhoods and not dealing with hotels...I like having a private place to come back to when I finish doing what I’m out doing. If i had no choice but to stay in a hotel downtown, i would never go again.
Posted by celltech1981
Member since Jul 2014
8139 posts
Posted on 5/22/18 at 6:34 am to
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On the one hand, it’s really shitty for someone to buy a property for the sole purpose of renting it on AirBnB.



why is that shitty? is it shitty for somebody to buy up houses to rent out on 12 month leases? why is the short term rental any different?
Posted by GFunk
Denham Springs
Member since Feb 2011
14970 posts
Posted on 5/22/18 at 6:39 am to
Like it or not, NOLA is a tourist town. AirBnB disrupts the model the city has built to not only provide revenue for public services and governmental operation. But it also blows a hole in employment opportunities the tourism industry provides. Not many bellhops or cleaning ladies being hired for short term rentals. Not many door men jobs or concierge desks being posted in the want ads by folks who own AirBnB’s.

That we haven’t looked at how the lower end of the economic spectrum is impacted within the tourism community is somewhat telling. Those folks hired into low end positions can only tell the job market is tight in tourism. They’re more than likely not aware of the why behind it.

But like it or not those jobs exist and they provide incomes and a path up the economic food chain. Without them there are real impacts to the economy and to people in low income communities. Increased home values on one end with less jobs on the lower end puts pressure on affordable housing as well.

It’s really hard to look at a city based on tourism like NOLA is and ignore this aspect of the argument.

I’m a conservative, limited government, don’t tread on me type to boot. Make no mistake my heart doesn’t bleed. But you cannot simply dismiss the impact of this type of disrupting cottage industry.

So the question becomes how exactly do you allow for these rental options while still protecting your tax base and job base? I don’t know but it appears NOLA does need better ordinances and enforcement. They need a more effective licensing and tax policy.

They seem to have a sympathetic city council and by all accounts neighborhood associations are incredibly proactive there. I think it all starts at the local level with HOA’s and beefing up code enforcement. Those are definitely assets that can be readily and easily utilized to start the process.

It is coupled with tax policy that allows for these new choices for short term rentals. This disruption via technology is here to stay. Nobody should think we can put the genie back in this bottle or turn back time like a Cher music video. But we also need to adjust the economic model to allow for these choices for consumers and still protect the city’s economic model which is still focused on tourism.

I think there is a happy medium. But like all things it requires hard work and all sides both coming to the table and compromising to move forward.
This post was edited on 5/22/18 at 6:42 am
Posted by chillygentilly
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Member since Aug 2012
2640 posts
Posted on 5/22/18 at 7:02 am to
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"This is for the protection of the consumer"

-every government ever


This is pretty clearly the government saying “frick the consumer” and listening to the constituents...which is exactly what a government is supposed to do.
Posted by Tiger Prawn
Member since Dec 2016
26337 posts
Posted on 5/22/18 at 7:18 am to
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why is that shitty? is it shitty for somebody to buy up houses to rent out on 12 month leases? why is the short term rental any different?


I don’t know what to tell you if you can’t see the difference between your next door neighbor being a tenant who will be calling the neighborhood home and living there for a year or longer...or tenants who are only in town for the weekend for festivals and partying...with a new group of partiers arriving the next weekend
Posted by NoSaint
Member since Jun 2011
12803 posts
Posted on 5/22/18 at 7:25 am to
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On the other hand, it’s their private property and should have the right to do what they’d like with it, so long as it doesn’t infringe on the rights of others. Also, I think most of the AirBnBs are people who actually reside there and simply rent the place on the side for extra money.



Statistics seem to point to the last sentence not being true. Which is the issue.

I’m down for renting out a room in your house, or half of your double or filling your own house while you are on vacation....

But it crosses to a full on business once you start buying property just to Airbnb and they should be treated like a BnB with permitting, taxes, and basic regulations
Posted by TheCaterpillar
Member since Jan 2004
76774 posts
Posted on 5/22/18 at 7:30 am to
They need to just empower neighborhoods/streets to decide for themselves.

Posted by MrLSU
Yellowstone, Val d'isere
Member since Jan 2004
30073 posts
Posted on 5/22/18 at 7:31 am to
That neighbor will now see fewer home sales + fewer properties renovated which will equate to a significant housing price drop.
Posted by baldona
Florida
Member since Feb 2016
24474 posts
Posted on 5/22/18 at 7:33 am to
The biggest issue is the lack of direction here. It's horrible practice for a government to not be steady in their direction. Makes it very hard on business and investing.

Lol at people acting like most locations with Airbnb's are 'quiet neighborhoods' in NOLA. I agree with regulating the areas Airbnb's are allowed, but NOLA is not easy to do. You have huge areas with mixed commercial, residential, and shite.

Don't act like most of these houses that are now Airbnb's were previously 'nice' houses. They were the shite of the neighborhood most of the time. Sure there are a select few in nice areas, but again how popular are those really? Because is they are popular than chances are they are close to tourist areas where the neighborhood is exposed to routine debauchery from passerby's and locals alike.

Short term rentals increase property taxes, increase sales tax, and do provide cleaning and other jobs. No one is preventing anyone from staying in a hotel, it's not the governments job to protect the hotels.
Posted by lsunurse
Member since Dec 2005
129146 posts
Posted on 5/22/18 at 7:34 am to
Would love to know how many people on here bitching about having Airbnb in their neighborhoods....actually use Airbnb on vacations.


Seems hypocritical if you ask me.

House next door to me was bought by a guy that buys up houses and solely uses them for Airbnb homes. Maybe once or twice has it been a little annoying the people that are staying there (drunk college kids one weekend sloppy drunk and loud by the home’s pool at night).

But I’m not gonna get that upset.....cause even though I’ve never actually used Airbnb....I’ve used similar sites for several vacations in the past. Many times staying in quieter residential neighborhoods.

Maybe live in a neighborhood with an HOA. I know the guy that bought the neighbor’s house to use as an Airbnb home specifically only buys homes in non HOA neighborhoods.
Posted by dgnx6
Member since Feb 2006
91667 posts
Posted on 5/22/18 at 7:38 am to
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Yes New Orleans is a tourist destination, not denying that, however, I’m against having the tourist take over the residential areas. Let them have Downtown. That’s all they know and come here for anyway.


My next door neighbor airbnbs her other side of her shotgun. Never had an issue.

Rember, these tourists are out and about. Not sitting at the property all day making a ruckus.
Posted by 50_Tiger
Arlington TX
Member since Jan 2016
43534 posts
Posted on 5/22/18 at 7:43 am to
"I dont want my tourist city to be more touristy "
Posted by dgnx6
Member since Feb 2006
91667 posts
Posted on 5/22/18 at 7:45 am to
All good points, bit really it's just the hotels that would see the hit.

You are getting an Airbnb because it's most likely cheaper.

If the place you are staying is cheaper, you might be more inclined to spend that money elsewhere, spread it around the city. Instead of most of it going to a hotel.

So the net really isnt much different is it?
This post was edited on 5/22/18 at 7:46 am
Posted by baldona
Florida
Member since Feb 2016
24474 posts
Posted on 5/22/18 at 7:54 am to
Additionally, how many of the non Airbnb houses in the neighborhoods are routinely 'party' houses for the big events? I'd bet many. People live there in order to be close to that stuff, they like to have friends and family over to party at their house and then walk to the events. The same events people rent for.
Posted by CarRamrod
Spurbury, VT
Member since Dec 2006
58629 posts
Posted on 5/22/18 at 7:58 am to
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look at it from a neighbor’s point of view. They bought their homes to live in a quiet residential neighborhood
they live in new Orleans.......it not like they bought a place in waterproof. NOLA is not quiet.
Posted by tgrbaitn08
Member since Dec 2007
148031 posts
Posted on 5/22/18 at 8:01 am to
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. I like experiencing different neighborhoods and not dealing with hotels...I like having a private place to come back to when I finish doing what I’m out doing


I hear there are some nice Air BnB’s in Hollygrove. You should check them out.
This post was edited on 5/22/18 at 8:01 am
Posted by Duckhammer_77
TD Platinum member
Member since Nov 2016
3080 posts
Posted on 5/22/18 at 8:20 am to
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This just a typical Nola money grab or they just trying to stop gentrification?

both
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