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re: New Orleans Council proposal would halt some short-term rentals, including some licensed
Posted on 5/22/18 at 8:27 am to AbitaFan08
Posted on 5/22/18 at 8:27 am to AbitaFan08
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doesn’t this proposal only apply to the FQ and areas immediately surrounding it? That’s what I gathered from the OP but may have misunderstood.
The FQ already bans them and the surrounding areas you mention are overwhelmingly residential in many cases. You know, where FQ workers live.
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Posted on 5/22/18 at 8:31 am to NoSaint
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The FQ already bans them and the surrounding areas you mention are overwhelmingly residential in many cases. You know, where FQ workers live.
Lol. Yes I'm sure all the shot girls, bartenders, waiters, strippers, etc. that live 3-4 people to a house are upstanding neighbors also. They likely go to bed by 10pm so they can wake up and tend to their garden every morning before the lunch shift.
Posted on 5/22/18 at 8:33 am to Ford Frenzy
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simpleton answer is to have the Abnb owners billed for their residents complaints and let them figure out how much the weekend rent is really worth and to let it work itself out
Not bad until you get into enforcement issues. There’s not a reliable method to achieve this currently. They should’ve made permits more expensive and dedicated that funding to enforcement
Posted on 5/22/18 at 8:33 am to baldona
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I'm sure all the shot girls, bartenders, waiters, strippers, etc. that live 3-4 people to a house are upstanding neighbors also. They likely go to bed by 10pm so they can wake up and tend to their garden every morning before the lunch shift.
I live in one of those neighborhoods and have yet to have an issue with a service industry person
Posted on 5/22/18 at 8:35 am to AbitaFan08
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I think most of the AirBnBs are people who actually reside there and simply rent the place on the side for extra money.
unfortunately i don't know if this is the case in certain neighborhoods.
Posted on 5/22/18 at 8:38 am to Sneaky__Sally
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unfortunately i don't know if this is the case in certain neighborhoods.
Honestly, maybe it's not. I was definitely speculating. I'd be curious to know the actual numbers on that.
Posted on 5/22/18 at 8:39 am to Tiger Prawn
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I look at it from a neighbor’s point of view. They bought their homes to live in a quiet residential neighborhood....not to live next to short term rentals where they have a rotating door of new people coming and going and a lot of people who come to NOLA mainly to get drunk and party. So now the neighbor’s peace and quiet is gone because of loud, obnoxious, drunk tourists in town to party for the weekend.
So you want like a city wide HOA? Sounds fun!
Posted on 5/22/18 at 8:44 am to Tiger Prawn
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They bought their homes to live in a quiet residential neighborhood....not to live next to short term rentals where they have a rotating door of new people coming and going and a lot of people who come to NOLA mainly to get drunk and party. So now the neighbor’s peace and quiet is gone because of loud, obnoxious, drunk tourists in town to party for the weekend.
If you don't want this, don't move to a city.
Posted on 5/22/18 at 8:44 am to MrLSU
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That neighbor will now see fewer home sales + fewer properties renovated which will equate to a significant housing price drop.
Right because, in your example, that neighborhood is seeing artificially inflated pricing because it is being operated in a commercial capacity and not in its designated residential capacity.
I don't think the airbnb operators who solely offer up rooms when they are out of town or other non-full time users are paying a whole lot above typical market value but that is just speculation.
If you want to change them to commercial zoning, do it, but if you want to try and preserve a residential neighborhood you can't allow airbnb to run rampant for the exact reason you just stated. At least IMO.
This post was edited on 5/22/18 at 8:49 am
Posted on 5/22/18 at 8:49 am to dgnx6
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Rember, these tourists are out and about. Not sitting at the property all day making a ruckus.
Exactly, who goes to New Orleans to party in their AirBnB?
Posted on 5/22/18 at 8:54 am to TigerNlc
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Exactly, who goes to New Orleans to party in their AirBnB?
Probably more than you realize.
A lot of times you’ll see the complaints from when pregaming or after coming back.
There a charming 800 sq ft one on my block with bunk beds for 10 people. Who do you think rents that, and how much time do you think they spend outside (backyard or front porch) given those specs?
Posted on 5/22/18 at 9:01 am to NoSaint
Speaking as someone who has multiple Airbnb’s in the warehouse district, the party atmosphere is greatly over exaggerated so the City Council can get what they want. I have had several hundred guest already and have yet to have a single issue or a single complaint by my permanent tenets. Are there some bad apples of course however most of the people bitching will just move on to bitching about something new if Airbnb gets rolled back. They will probably have to move on to why is no one buying the blighted properties in my authentic neighborhood now and ofcourse they will expect the city to fix that for them too.
This post was edited on 5/22/18 at 9:07 am
Posted on 5/22/18 at 9:02 am to baldona
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Don't act like most of these houses that are now Airbnb's were previously 'nice' houses. They were the shite of the neighborhood most of the time. Sure there are a select few in nice areas, but again how popular are those really? Because is they are popular than chances are they are close to tourist areas where the neighborhood is exposed to routine debauchery from passerby's and locals alike.
Short term rentals increase property taxes, increase sales tax, and do provide cleaning and other jobs. No one is preventing anyone from staying in a hotel, it's not the governments job to protect the hotels.
Agreed on all of this.
I am somewhat sympathetic to the homeowners. But the whole thing feels like a repeat of the NOLA government "protecting" it's populace from the dangers of Uber, all while certainly taking kickbacks from the cab industry.
I don't have the perfect solution/compromise, but the best way to develop one would be to do the exact opposite of whatever NOLA ends up doing.
Posted on 5/22/18 at 9:08 am to THRILLHO
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I don't have the perfect solution/compromise, but the best way to develop one would be to do the exact opposite of whatever NOLA ends up doing.
Homestead exemption requirement for residential zoned areas
This post was edited on 5/22/18 at 9:09 am
Posted on 5/22/18 at 9:09 am to NoSaint
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There a charming 800 sq ft one on my block with bunk beds for 10 people. Who do you think rents that, and how much time do you think they spend outside (backyard or front porch) given those specs?
Well that is an enforcement issue not an Airbnb issue. There are already guidelines preventing this from happening. So instead of the city doing their job with the millions they’ve taken in from Airbnb revenue. They are sitting on their hands complaining that people are’s still doing the same thing they are tasked with preventing. Seems about right for New Orleans.
This post was edited on 5/22/18 at 9:17 am
Posted on 5/22/18 at 9:12 am to LSU5508
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several hundred guest already and have yet to have a single issue or a single complaint by my permanent tenets. Are there some bad apples of course
I think if they put in actual enforced mechanisms to get rid of the bad apples, the pressure for change will come down.
Right now there’s zero action even on obvious and easily addressed violations
Posted on 5/22/18 at 9:13 am to Tiger Prawn
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I don’t have a dog in this fight as I’m not an AirBNB user nor live in Orleans Parish. I just know I wouldnt want to live next door to a house where different people who came in town to drink and party were coming and going all the time
Luckily 99% of air bnb houses in New Orleans are in the ghetto where the people next door are up smoking crack all night anyway
Posted on 5/22/18 at 9:20 am to LSU5508
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Well that is an enforcement issue not an Airbnb issue. There are already guidelines preventing this from happening. So instead of the city doing their job with the millions they’ve taken in from Airbnb revenue. They are sitting on their hands complaining that people are’s still doing the same thing they are tasked with preventing. Seems about right for New Orleans.
It’s a mix-
Took several months to get the listing changed from 10 people to 6 but still lists 10 beds. Which is within policy technically. Until 10 people show up on a Saturday night.
The enforcement office is solely funded by permits with the stated goal of being a breakeven budget for initial application processing/inspections and not a ton left for enforcement. That falls to nopd for a lot of the minor day to day but at 3am on a Saturday night it’s not always reliable and certainly isn’t ideal.
The original legislation was junk and has a lot of holes
Posted on 5/22/18 at 9:31 am to NoSaint
Well maybe they should do something that makes way too much sense. Allocate some of the increased sales tax and hotel tax they are collecting on Airbnb and put that towards enforcement.
This post was edited on 5/22/18 at 9:40 am
Posted on 5/22/18 at 9:48 am to Tiger Prawn
I can see the difference. I'm not a fan of getting the government involved in commerce because some people are annoyed with it. Move to some place that isn't a tourist destination if you don't like it. otherwise, suck it up.
I'd be ok with HOC agreements against it if folks are signing the contracts when they move in. I'm not for government involvement though
I'd be ok with HOC agreements against it if folks are signing the contracts when they move in. I'm not for government involvement though
This post was edited on 5/22/18 at 9:50 am
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