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re: New 2023 Toyota Sequoia
Posted on 1/26/22 at 1:23 pm to Lima Whiskey
Posted on 1/26/22 at 1:23 pm to Lima Whiskey
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If you’re going to do a six cylinder motor, then at least make it a straight six.
Toyota has not made an I6 for 15 years. A big bore I6 begins to have packaging issues even in a large SUV and limits potential cross-platform usage. Plus the long crank and cam shafts require a lot of support, especially on a boosted engines. Despite their inherent balance larger displacement inline 6 cylinder engines don't make a lot of sense in passenger vehicles.
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Posted on 1/26/22 at 1:28 pm to Hangover Haven
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My B-I-L had a Sequoia, it was constantly in the shop and the interior basically fell apart on it. My wife was still driving her '06 Tahoe and my BIL was on his 3rd used Sequoia.
But yeah, keep living that Toyota fan boy myth.
Wife has a 2011 sequoia bought new with 135k and has had zero issues...nada, zip, zilch. The interior looks great too.
Posted on 1/26/22 at 1:48 pm to Chicken
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Land Cruiser's 15mpg didn't help its cause...
That's a symptom of the fact that modern LCs became bloated land yachts.
When I was shopping for a new daily I really wanted an LC, but I just have zero desire to deal with parking that thing in the Galleria every day. So, I ended up with a GX. Little smaller, more agile, still bullet proof and only gave up a little off road functionality.
Posted on 1/26/22 at 3:27 pm to TigerRob20
Gross
Posted on 1/26/22 at 3:31 pm to Hangover Haven
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My B-I-L had a Sequoia, it was constantly in the shop and the interior basically fell apart on it. My wife was still driving her '06 Tahoe and my BIL was on his 3rd used Sequoia.
But yeah, keep living that Toyota fan boy myth.
I've had a Silverado, a Tahoe, and 2 4Runners. Your BIL's situation is the exception, not the rule.
Posted on 1/26/22 at 5:08 pm to pjab
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What made the LC the LC was legendary built quality. The tolerances for the LC/LX are tops in the industry.
Yes absolutely! The major components in LC’s are designed to last 25 years…in 3rd world. anything out of the Tahara plant is overbuilt. I’ve been very pleased with my GX.
I’m not saying the new Sequoia will be as rugged at the LC or LX but the Sequoia is the new US version of the LC with similar proportions.
This post was edited on 1/26/22 at 5:10 pm
Posted on 1/26/22 at 7:04 pm to Grievous Angel
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Getting 437 horsepower out of the same motor from the tacoma that's getting 280 ish.
So, basically, bolting on two turbos and calling it a day.
Remember those million mile Tundras? Good. Because that era is DONE.
This is where overreaching government regulation meets our voracious appetite for ever larger vehicles.
You said it man.
These strung out V6 turbo motors aren’t going to last.
FFS the Ford Ecoboost has been in production for 10 years and is just now getting to where it is sorted out and mostly reliable.
Turbocharging technology can be reliable when mated to engines designed for it since square one (low compression diesels) but it’s basically an OEM power adder in these applications.
Posted on 1/26/22 at 7:44 pm to AndyCBR
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Turbocharging technology can be reliable when mated to engines designed for it since square one (low compression diesels) but it’s basically an OEM power adder in these applications.
That is inaccurate. This 3.4l (they call it s 3.5l) i-Force V-6 is a ground up new engine designed for boost. The whole "high compression" that doesn't play nice with boost is a sad old cliche.
From what I have read they built a smart turbo motor with a ton of attention to cooling both in the heads with a dual-layer water jackets and lots of attention to combustion chamber cooling. They did a lot of valve seat and valve engineering for reliability and they are also using a water-to-air intercooler. Also, note they are using direct injection which has excellent flame travel and runs at cooler cylinder temps.
These engines are complex with turbos, variable valve timing, and all the associated electronics but so are pretty much every engine built today save for a few old dinosaurs. There is zero reasons a 10:1 compression turbo engine can't be designed and built to last 300-400k with little internal issues. If you had to bet on a manufacturer doing it well Toyota is near the top of the pile. Toyota tends to advance at (in the car industry) a glacially slow pace and the reason is tested engineering and QC which results in a great reliability and dependability reputation.
Posted on 1/26/22 at 8:55 pm to TigerRob20
Bloated 4 Runner w/o a V8
Posted on 1/26/22 at 9:00 pm to Hangover Haven
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My B-I-L had a Sequoia, it was constantly in the shop and the interior basically fell apart on it. My wife was still driving her '06 Tahoe and my BIL was on his 3rd used Sequoia. But yeah, keep living that Toyota fan boy myth.
for every 1 tall tale you can tell, i can tell 3 or 4 real stories of Toyota’s going 300k with nothing more than oil changes. So, let’s keep going
Posted on 1/26/22 at 9:07 pm to Obtuse1
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Force V-6 is a ground up new engine designed for boost.
That's enough for me to make a hard pass. I'm guessing this vehicle will run north of 60K if not more. That's a lot of money to spend to beta test a new engine.
Posted on 1/26/22 at 9:17 pm to AllDayEveryDay
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That's enough for me to make a hard pass. I'm guessing this vehicle will run north of 60K if not more. That's a lot of money to spend to beta test a new engine.
This I agree with every new vehicle has pattern issues and I will always wait for them to develop and get solved before spending money.
Posted on 1/26/22 at 9:25 pm to Hangover Haven
That’s because people have to junk a Tahoe every 5 years compared to a Toyota. 1 Sequoia = 3 Tahoes. 
Posted on 1/27/22 at 3:30 am to Obtuse1
Your points are well taken but the fact is that the long term reliability of this engine will be lower than the 5.7l V8.
I’m on the Toyota bandwagon and I own 2 but Toyota isn’t immune to the laws of physics.
There’s more shite to break, period.
2x as many places for exhaust leaks. 2x as many places for intake leaks. 2x as many places for oil leaks. More moving (and non moving) components that are subject to wear and failure. More controls and electrical components. Higher underhood temperatures. Etc.
I’m on the Toyota bandwagon and I own 2 but Toyota isn’t immune to the laws of physics.
There’s more shite to break, period.
2x as many places for exhaust leaks. 2x as many places for intake leaks. 2x as many places for oil leaks. More moving (and non moving) components that are subject to wear and failure. More controls and electrical components. Higher underhood temperatures. Etc.
Posted on 1/27/22 at 3:33 am to zippyputt
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That’s because people have to junk a Tahoe every 5 years compared to a Toyota. 1 Sequoia = 3 Tahoes.
I’m a Toyota guy and own a 2021 4Runner TRD but that’s just not true even if Scotty Kilmer and NoBawgDog repeat it 40 times a day.
The full sized SUVs from GM are quite good, and they generally sell to well off families who maintain them reasonably well. GM is by far market leader in full sized SUVs for a very good reason. The GMC Yukon also has the best resale value in its class, which includes the Sequoia. LINK - KBB.
The Suburban is also in the top 3 vehicles most likely to rack up 200,000+ miles. LINK - Autoweek. They outrank my 4Runner in that respect, so clearly they are doing something right. Maybe that something is just selling a decent product for 70 years to people that take care of it and appreciate it. It seems to be well received by a very similar audience that Toyota targets for their Sequoia and Land Cruiser.
This post was edited on 1/27/22 at 3:57 am
Posted on 1/27/22 at 5:28 am to NoBoDawg
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I’m not saying the new Sequoia will be as rugged at the LC or LX but the Sequoia is the new US version of the LC with similar proportions.
I’ll be interested to see the new dimensions. I got a LC because it was smaller than that behemoth of a Sequoia. Hopefully this new one is a bit more manageable for parking lots and driveways.
Posted on 1/27/22 at 5:45 am to TigerRob20
I see GM's square wheel well designer got a gig at Toyota
Posted on 1/27/22 at 6:16 am to pjab
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What made the LC the LC was legendary built quality. The tolerances for the LC/LX are tops in the industry. The 300 series and new LX are built in Japan. The new Sequoia may be the “same”, but time will tell if Toyota USA can delivery on the quality.
The Tundra and Sequoia have always been good vehicles and built in the US. These are on the same chassis with the same engine as the new LC too. It’s not ideal over a V8, but I am sure they put a lot of effort into making the new turbo V6 work well.
Supposedly the 4Runner will continue to be made in Japan after it’s redesigned.
This post was edited on 1/27/22 at 6:17 am
Posted on 1/27/22 at 7:33 am to dewster
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The Suburban is also in the top 3 vehicles most likely to rack up 200,000+ miles. LINK - Autoweek.
Wait the hell a minute…Toyota dominates the +200K list, there’s a whopping 7 Toyota vehicles compared to essentially 1 GM vehicle Suburban/Yukon/Tahoe?
Of course the LC is Tops, but List is missing GX.
Tahoe/ Yukons hold their value because they’re in demand from soccer mommy’s. The Yukon is definitely the official vehicle of the school car line, but extremely overpriced.
This post was edited on 1/27/22 at 8:01 am
Posted on 1/27/22 at 7:50 am to TigerRob20
Grill looks cheap
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